1 00:00:27,370 --> 00:00:07,800 [Music] 2 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:27,380 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:31,480 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:36,710 here's gene Steinberg hi neighbors first 5 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:39,170 summer I remind you that para cast is 6 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:41,080 brought to you this week by audible.com 7 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:43,879 the internet's leading provider of 8 00:00:48,490 --> 00:00:46,340 audiobooks with more than 85,000 9 00:00:50,229 --> 00:00:48,500 downloadable titles across all types of 10 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:50,239 literature including fiction nonfiction 11 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:53,960 and periodicals for free audio book of 12 00:01:00,819 --> 00:00:54,910 your choice go to 13 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:00,829 audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla Brian we 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:02,620 haven't talked a lot about this lately 15 00:01:09,190 --> 00:01:05,930 this project is ongoing project you've 16 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:09,200 done setting up these webcams what's the 17 00:01:11,139 --> 00:01:10,430 status of that give us a background 18 00:01:13,630 --> 00:01:11,149 please 19 00:01:15,219 --> 00:01:13,640 well we're streaming with our base 20 00:01:17,950 --> 00:01:15,229 station camera we're waiting to get 21 00:01:20,830 --> 00:01:17,960 these all sky cam sent out from 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:20,840 California to the San Luis Valley the 23 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:24,530 all sky cam is a horizon to Horizon 180 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:27,920 degree camera there basically is set up 25 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:29,570 almost like a fisheye lens to get the 26 00:01:35,499 --> 00:01:32,510 entire sky in one one frame so it's like 27 00:01:37,450 --> 00:01:35,509 I was a panoramic view exactly oh and it 28 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:37,460 covers the whole sky like a big punch 29 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:40,970 bowl and our software designer Andrew 30 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:44,360 who was on the show with us briefly with 31 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:46,970 Robert Hastings he's recently retired 32 00:01:51,249 --> 00:01:48,369 from Cisco and he's gonna be 33 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:51,259 establishing coordinate data on this all 34 00:01:56,499 --> 00:01:54,710 sky cam it will detect upon motion and 35 00:01:59,170 --> 00:01:56,509 then that will turn on the record 36 00:02:01,030 --> 00:01:59,180 function for the first this first camera 37 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:01,040 which will be the first of seven of 38 00:02:05,620 --> 00:02:03,110 course these things cost money and it 39 00:02:07,450 --> 00:02:05,630 takes time to obviously program the code 40 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:07,460 and do the kind of work that needs to be 41 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:09,470 done andrew has a bunch of stuff he is 42 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:11,120 finishing up in his personal life which 43 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:12,860 will then frame up to devote more time 44 00:02:16,539 --> 00:02:15,049 to the sky cam project but we've had a 45 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:16,549 couple of interesting little things that 46 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:18,590 have been seen you know real time I 47 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:20,930 tried to capture one there is a function 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:22,310 in the administrative program where you 49 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:24,890 can hit a capture button and take a peg 50 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:28,700 still of whatever it is we don't have 51 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:32,120 record on motion capability yet and when 52 00:02:36,670 --> 00:02:33,770 we did our two-week beta test 53 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:36,680 last year it took a couple months to go 54 00:02:41,140 --> 00:02:38,990 through all the data because it was just 55 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:41,150 recording full time it takes a lot of 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:44,390 time to wade through that much data well 57 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:45,530 I guess it's also you have to have a 58 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:47,840 pretty large hard drive to store 59 00:02:53,980 --> 00:02:51,890 everything yeah it was about 68 70 gig I 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:53,990 think is what it ended up I think the 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:56,570 amount of storage space that we needed 62 00:03:00,760 --> 00:02:58,370 for that two-week beta period but so 63 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:00,770 basically you need two iPhones at 32 64 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:03,140 gigabytes apiece to carry everything but 65 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:05,930 if it's based on motion it's gonna sense 66 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:07,940 something moving and then turn the 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:10,370 cameras on well the cameras will be on 68 00:03:14,350 --> 00:03:12,050 it'll it'll then trigger a record 69 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:14,360 function okay okay which will then 70 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:17,450 record record streaming data of whatever 71 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:19,940 event that it is and once we get 72 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:21,530 multiple cameras up with the software 73 00:03:25,930 --> 00:03:23,240 you know the coordinated software then 74 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:25,940 we will be recording multiple camera 75 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:28,430 views of an a single event now a photo 76 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:30,020 experts are gonna say what kind of 77 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:32,450 resolution do you get for these images 78 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:34,970 well obviously it depends on the 79 00:03:38,620 --> 00:03:36,830 distance away from the camera but if you 80 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:38,630 have multiple cameras chances are one's 81 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:40,760 gonna be close enough to really clean 82 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:43,900 some data just being able to triangulate 83 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:47,540 multiple camera views on a particular 84 00:03:52,510 --> 00:03:50,000 single event that's that's gonna be the 85 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:52,520 payoff right there our resolution is is 86 00:03:56,710 --> 00:03:54,980 fairly high we're not at high def we 87 00:03:58,990 --> 00:03:56,720 don't have the bandwidth unfortunately 88 00:04:03,699 --> 00:03:59,000 to to have a high def image but we're 89 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:03,709 we're at 680 I think it by 420 okay so 90 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:05,600 basically you're you're getting a 91 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:08,150 standard what they call VGA image those 92 00:04:12,699 --> 00:04:09,980 specs are slightly off but it would be a 93 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:12,709 movie called VGA image kind of like the 94 00:04:16,900 --> 00:04:15,170 older-style webcams and that's the suit 95 00:04:18,699 --> 00:04:16,910 I mean if something is really several 96 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:18,709 miles away in the distance and not very 97 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:20,780 large you're not going to see what it is 98 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:23,840 but a bigfooter you're gonna know about 99 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:27,430 it we have 36 times optical zoom too so 100 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:30,680 so that's gonna bring it up close and 101 00:04:35,380 --> 00:04:33,110 personal if it's within you know 30 40 102 00:04:37,630 --> 00:04:35,390 miles do you have some kind of real-time 103 00:04:40,090 --> 00:04:37,640 control over that yes we do 104 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:40,100 oh okay yeah I'm able to pan tilt zoom 105 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:44,660 you know rotate so these hey Chris we've 106 00:04:50,050 --> 00:04:47,090 got some UFOs there or we just 107 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:50,060 Bigfoot and he's in the northwest 108 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:51,770 quadrant or something you could do some 109 00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:55,100 adjustments yeah we could manually zero 110 00:04:59,140 --> 00:04:57,199 in on something like that what we want 111 00:05:02,740 --> 00:04:59,150 to do right now is bundle this 112 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:02,750 particular live feed and present it you 113 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:05,990 know on the pair cast as a as a feature 114 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:08,930 so that you can tune in anytime and see 115 00:05:12,790 --> 00:05:10,100 what's going on in the San Luis Valley 116 00:05:15,159 --> 00:05:12,800 but right now the only way that you can 117 00:05:17,290 --> 00:05:15,169 view it is by having the keys for the 118 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:17,300 administrative panel and that would 119 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:20,360 allow you to operate the camera and we 120 00:05:24,490 --> 00:05:22,760 don't want a bunch of people being able 121 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:24,500 to operate the camera at this point so 122 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:27,050 we just want to bundle the actual signal 123 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:29,630 and then have it as a view only I think 124 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:31,460 in all fairness to what we should do is 125 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:33,260 get some kind of corporate sponsorship 126 00:05:37,060 --> 00:05:35,450 for that I think that'll be very very 127 00:05:39,129 --> 00:05:37,070 fair maybe we could work out something 128 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:39,139 if you run a business even a small 129 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:40,539 business and you have some kind of 130 00:05:45,159 --> 00:05:43,610 national or worldwide goals you know you 131 00:05:47,610 --> 00:05:45,169 can write us and use it the power cast 132 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:47,620 comm and if you want to sponsor this 133 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:50,510 webcam feed yeah let us know this is not 134 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:52,100 just a commercial thing it costs money 135 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:54,620 to buy these cameras it gots money for 136 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:56,360 the bandwidth you can't do this stuff 137 00:06:00,820 --> 00:05:58,970 free and without corporate sponsorships 138 00:06:02,469 --> 00:06:00,830 you know it's not as if you're gonna get 139 00:06:06,730 --> 00:06:02,479 money from Uncle Sam or something 140 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:06,740 because the uncle is rather low in terms 141 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:08,570 of having a reasonable bank account they 142 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:11,570 spent so much money on those $400 toilet 143 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:13,550 seats that they really can't handle 144 00:06:16,690 --> 00:06:14,300 anything more 145 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:16,700 yeah we'll slap a little logo down there 146 00:06:20,409 --> 00:06:18,680 in the Lord you know right-hand side of 147 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:20,419 the image and maybe every hour will give 148 00:06:25,150 --> 00:06:23,510 you a little 30-second commercial or 149 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:25,160 just something you know streaming but 150 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:27,530 not in flash we don't use flash you know 151 00:06:32,890 --> 00:06:30,650 no no no flash flashes for button 152 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:32,900 because it doesn't work on 250 million 153 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:35,900 my phones and iPads and iOS devices so 154 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:37,370 it doesn't happen we're getting awfully 155 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:39,560 technical but the key is here if we're 156 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:40,910 going to find out what's happening out 157 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:43,970 there and you have all these events if 158 00:06:50,469 --> 00:06:47,900 you can't cover an area with frequent 159 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:50,479 activity with a full time camera and 160 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:53,090 some way of storing the information it's 161 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:54,770 not going to help you can't assume that 162 00:06:59,530 --> 00:06:56,930 you send a crew out there and the crew 163 00:07:01,660 --> 00:06:59,540 will always find something or ever 164 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:01,670 anything well there's no substitute for 165 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:04,100 hard data well this is a commendable 166 00:07:09,130 --> 00:07:06,080 thing we'll have more information on 167 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:09,140 this in the near future but today on the 168 00:07:13,510 --> 00:07:10,880 para caste we're going to explore 169 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:13,520 something we've laughed about okay I 170 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:16,970 mean for nearly six years on the power 171 00:07:22,660 --> 00:07:20,330 cast we have laughed at people who 172 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:22,670 believe what is called EXO politics 173 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:25,130 whatever that is okay there's a movement 174 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:28,100 called EXO politics and it goes beyond 175 00:07:33,070 --> 00:07:30,380 disclosure because here we're dealing I 176 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:33,080 guess with establishing or furthering 177 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:36,200 diplomatic relations with et so we've 178 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:38,660 talked about it occasionally and now 179 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:42,470 you've located a vocal advocate Chris 180 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:45,410 for EXO politics tell us more I became 181 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:48,020 aware of edy Comex work a number of 182 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:50,360 years ago he's been one of these kind of 183 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:53,360 behind the scenes guys pretty bright I 184 00:08:00,240 --> 00:07:57,050 think he's very well intentioned has 185 00:08:04,470 --> 00:08:00,250 been able to make a lot of connections 186 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:04,480 within the kind of the shadow world of 187 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:07,580 intelligence operatives people that are 188 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:09,890 in the know let's say you know people 189 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:12,830 that have friends that are within the 190 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:15,200 government in the military and he's done 191 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:17,110 a pretty good job of researching and 192 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:21,140 presenting I think a more of a 193 00:08:26,860 --> 00:08:23,270 down-to-earth view of what the excellent 194 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:26,870 political scenario and situation is all 195 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:29,560 about unlike some of the other more 196 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:34,760 vocal higher profile over-the-top true 197 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:36,200 believers I think Edie 198 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:39,110 tempers his enthusiasm with with a lot 199 00:08:42,430 --> 00:08:41,120 of good research and he's somebody I've 200 00:08:44,170 --> 00:08:42,440 wanted to get on the show for quite a 201 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:44,180 while on him we're very fortunate to 202 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:46,880 have him be on the pair of cast here 203 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:49,670 today okay that's Edie coma wreck and 204 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:52,790 he's going to talk about EXO politics 205 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:55,250 and we are not going to hold back on the 206 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:55,970 questions okay 207 00:09:01,150 --> 00:08:59,180 oh no no no none of that stuff here you 208 00:09:02,620 --> 00:09:01,160 know we're going to be fair with him 209 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:02,630 what you're gonna be balanced with him 210 00:09:08,140 --> 00:09:04,820 we're going to cover what he thinks is 211 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:08,150 the evidence about this EXO politics 212 00:09:12,430 --> 00:09:10,760 stuff whether he can really prove it or 213 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:12,440 whether it's a movement that of course 214 00:09:15,550 --> 00:09:13,250 is just 215 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:15,560 and mirrors I don't know I tell you I'm 216 00:09:21,730 --> 00:09:18,470 a skeptical I want to put my cards on 217 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:21,740 the table right now that it's gonna have 218 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:23,630 to be a hard sell for me but then if he 219 00:09:32,050 --> 00:09:26,990 is willing to answer any question we 220 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:32,060 posed to him if he is willing to show us 221 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:34,010 his stuff whether or not he has evidence 222 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:38,690 to confirm this Exopolitics and what it 223 00:09:42,970 --> 00:09:41,000 means we're happy to present it he's 224 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:42,980 been amazingly prolific by the way you 225 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00:14:42,180 EXO politics with Ed come rec who's been 325 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:50,240 all right so what attracted you to the 326 00:14:54,319 --> 00:14:52,050 subject before we even get into the 327 00:14:56,630 --> 00:14:54,329 stuff about the exo politics what 328 00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:56,640 attracted you to this you mean to the 329 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:00,320 field at the UFO field in general yes 330 00:15:07,190 --> 00:15:04,620 okay it really started back when I left 331 00:15:09,319 --> 00:15:07,200 for Alaska I went to one year college 332 00:15:12,050 --> 00:15:09,329 down here at a local college and I went 333 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:12,060 to University of Alaska Fairbanks Alaska 334 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:14,459 where I went for two years of college 335 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:16,700 and I went up there when I was about 336 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:20,940 seventeen and went to college and I used 337 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:22,680 to hang out I think it was the middle of 338 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:24,690 winter you know it's probably about 60 339 00:15:28,670 --> 00:15:26,940 below zero and college kids that hang 340 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:28,680 out playing pool and drinking beer down 341 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:31,230 on the bars and fairbanks down down 342 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:34,649 downtown Fairbanks why I guess one day I 343 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:37,230 just wandered out and took a little walk 344 00:15:42,740 --> 00:15:40,290 and get some fresh air I came to this 345 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:42,750 little New Age bookstore and I said huh 346 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:44,490 you know this is interesting and I 347 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:46,230 opened up the door and there was a you 348 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:49,920 know those scents of incense and it was 349 00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:51,660 warm and there were little you know 350 00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:54,300 chimes and open up the door and there 351 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:56,660 were all these books on reincarnation 352 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:01,199 UFOs paranormal and I just felt right at 353 00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:04,260 home then later I think they brought a 354 00:16:08,269 --> 00:16:06,360 reincarnation 'el specialist up to 355 00:16:10,189 --> 00:16:08,279 Fairbanks to lecture and she did a 356 00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:10,199 lecture and did a little meeting on any 357 00:16:13,939 --> 00:16:11,880 reading on me and some of those things 358 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:13,949 started coming true and so I got 359 00:16:18,050 --> 00:16:16,110 interested in that so I really got into 360 00:16:20,509 --> 00:16:18,060 the really big picture to begin with but 361 00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:20,519 then I got into UFOs because he could 362 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:22,140 kick the tire there was something solid 363 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:24,529 well let's back up a little bit this 364 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:26,910 psychic or whatever was saying things 365 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,890 about you that were true well they 366 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:30,180 turned out to be true 367 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,279 well how about kind of examples just to 368 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:34,800 see what they said and what the reality 369 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:38,490 was okay she said that I would I would 370 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:41,310 be like a spaceman but not in the normal 371 00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:44,610 sense of the word like a politician but 372 00:16:48,019 --> 00:16:46,230 not in the normal sense of the word more 373 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:48,029 like a statesman and that I would be in 374 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:49,830 the newspapers and then 375 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:51,630 when all that started happening in 376 00:16:56,450 --> 00:16:53,910 becoming truth I got more interested so 377 00:16:58,580 --> 00:16:56,460 I sent off for a you know I'm pretty 378 00:17:01,520 --> 00:16:58,590 cheap so I sent off for $30 for an 379 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:01,530 extensive reading with three questions 380 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:05,160 and the details on pass laws and 381 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:07,890 whatever and she did all that and then 382 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:10,500 she was so good that she actually named 383 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:15,030 the names of people like Susan Carol key 384 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:17,010 people ever going to be in my life and 385 00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:19,140 darned if they didn't happen didn't 386 00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:20,520 happen just about every one of them 387 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:22,620 happen you know over the time of my life 388 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:24,510 you know now looking back I'm 63 years 389 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:26,550 old my birthday were just the other day 390 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:29,640 and that was you know that was well over 391 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:32,880 what 40 years ago you know at the time I 392 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:34,500 was saying well maybe this is true maybe 393 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:36,300 it's not you know but then some of these 394 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:37,620 things started coming true so I got 395 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:39,510 interested in that and I got interested 396 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:41,790 in the paranormal I got interested in 397 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:44,070 telepathy you know I did a lot of 398 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,660 reading one of the things I learned from 399 00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:47,520 my father was an infield that you go 400 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:49,500 into the first thing to do is go in and 401 00:17:52,970 --> 00:17:51,390 study the literature and then you know 402 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:52,980 start testing out the literature for 403 00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:55,110 what's real and what's not real but you 404 00:17:58,190 --> 00:17:56,580 got to you know get a grasp of the 405 00:18:00,170 --> 00:17:58,200 overall literature is no important in 406 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:00,180 reinventing the wheel and so that's what 407 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:01,890 I started doing and so I did a lot of 408 00:18:06,110 --> 00:18:04,020 reading back in nineteen seventies I had 409 00:18:08,030 --> 00:18:06,120 a little cabin I learned from Alaska 410 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:08,040 that I could live very you know very 411 00:18:12,860 --> 00:18:11,130 frugally in a small cabin with very 412 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:12,870 little overhead and my life would be my 413 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:14,610 own and it's been that way through my 414 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:16,260 whole life so I've been able to dedicate 415 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:18,900 my life to what I wanted to do not you 416 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:20,910 know having most of my time tied up you 417 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:23,070 know earning a wage or working for 418 00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:25,170 somebody else or whatever so I have had 419 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:27,960 a lot of time to investigate they do I 420 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,510 take it then you don't have a day job no 421 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,120 I don't have a I retired in my early 20s 422 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:35,520 I worked up on the trans-alaska pipeline 423 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:37,470 I worked for Fish and Game up there 424 00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:39,270 during the summers when I was in Alaska 425 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:41,040 I'd come down to the down from the 426 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:42,750 winters put the money into real estate 427 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:44,460 and I would tend to buy a little bit of 428 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:46,530 land fix it up build me a cabin or a 429 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:49,140 house on it and then sell it and then I 430 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:51,960 did that several times in my life and so 431 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:54,330 it was an overhead probably that runs on 432 00:18:59,810 --> 00:18:57,810 average of $500 a month you know I was 433 00:19:02,450 --> 00:18:59,820 I've been able to do that it doesn't 434 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:02,460 take a lot of work to maintain that kind 435 00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:03,420 of lifestyle 436 00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:05,100 especially not you know when you do 437 00:19:10,210 --> 00:19:07,559 everything for yourself pretty much you 438 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:10,220 should mention about your dad being a 439 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:12,750 forestry expert and a scientist in his 440 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:15,450 own right so you know raised and born 441 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:17,460 born and raised and steeped in the 442 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:20,670 scientific method oh yes because I was 443 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:22,920 actually mentored by heard Stoddard he 444 00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:24,990 was a good friend of our loophole one of 445 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,870 the fathers of ecology so alle loophole 446 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:29,700 is the father of a college that most 447 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:31,590 people know about from because they read 448 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:33,330 sandhill almanaque because he was more 449 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:35,220 available to the public but her daughter 450 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:37,260 did the real scientific research on the 451 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,440 bobwhite quail that brought and brought 452 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,240 him into being a father of ecology and 453 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:45,000 then there was another person dr. Ali in 454 00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:48,299 the University of Chicago before dad had 455 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:50,280 to quit because of the depression he was 456 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:54,150 mentored also by dr. Ali so I was 457 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:56,250 surrounded by some of the top scientists 458 00:20:01,280 --> 00:19:59,250 in the in the fields of Natural History 459 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:01,290 Maalik people may not realize this but 460 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:04,770 the ecology actually evolved from the 461 00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:06,570 cloak collectors because the collectors 462 00:20:11,030 --> 00:20:08,460 were out in the field collecting animals 463 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:11,040 and studying them and watching their 464 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:12,570 habits and how they interacted with each 465 00:20:15,860 --> 00:20:14,280 other and all this sort of thing is 466 00:20:17,890 --> 00:20:15,870 whereas the taxonomists you know they 467 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,900 were back in the basement you know for 468 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:20,880 chemicals and they were sorting species 469 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:23,160 out from subspecies and all this kind of 470 00:20:27,169 --> 00:20:25,260 thing but the collectors realized that 471 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:27,179 there was raised like these animals are 472 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:29,010 in relationship these animals and plants 473 00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:31,410 when they're in relationships and dad 474 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:33,270 used to say used to argue with the tech 475 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:35,220 columnist early on and they say you know 476 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,690 it's no such thing as a relationship 477 00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:38,400 show me a relationship show me a 478 00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:40,169 relationship you know pick it up where I 479 00:20:43,460 --> 00:20:41,940 can pick it up touch it feel it see it 480 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:43,470 you know there's no such thing as a 481 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:44,970 relationship and that never could 482 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:47,610 convince those old taxonomy that there 483 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:50,190 was a basis to a ecology and that 484 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,590 relationships were real and interaction 485 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:55,200 between species you know were real even 486 00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,640 though you couldn't they weren't 487 00:21:01,039 --> 00:20:59,100 physically substantial and so in a way 488 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:01,049 maybe that helped me you know in the 489 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:03,240 paranormal field and I noticed there's 490 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:05,190 been parallels there's been very 491 00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,350 interesting because he got into fire 492 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:09,720 ecology he was probably the first real 493 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:11,220 fire ecologist 494 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:14,490 he fought fire exclusion policies of the 495 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:17,100 Forest Service for his whole life 496 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:18,809 you want to explain what that is those 497 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:20,850 of us who don't examine forestry okay 498 00:21:24,919 --> 00:21:23,190 okay what happens then in nature is that 499 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,929 fire is a natural part of the 500 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:25,679 environment 501 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,419 you know like for you guys out west 502 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,400 you've got ponderosa pine and that 503 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,320 ponderosa pine has really flammable 504 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:33,840 needles and over time the needles build 505 00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:35,850 up but the bark is very tough so it can 506 00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:38,340 take a pretty good fire but what happens 507 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:40,500 is is that natural fire started by 508 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:43,380 lightning or by Indians or by man would 509 00:21:47,779 --> 00:21:45,450 burn the forest clean every year two or 510 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:47,789 three years and the force would be 511 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:49,650 healthy and the trees wouldn't get 512 00:21:53,419 --> 00:21:51,030 killed it knocked the brush back and 513 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:53,429 where the grasses and legumes would be 514 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,140 there for wildlife and everything but 515 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:56,640 when they started fire exclusion 516 00:22:01,340 --> 00:21:58,770 policies like keeping fire out the 517 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:01,350 needle litter and the dead branches and 518 00:22:04,580 --> 00:22:03,210 dead trees starts building up on the 519 00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:04,590 force for until you create a 520 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:07,230 catastrophic situation so basically if 521 00:22:11,419 --> 00:22:09,510 you mess with mother nature you get 522 00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:11,429 yourself in trouble that's the bonus 523 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:13,020 well you mess with Mother Nature and you 524 00:22:16,399 --> 00:22:14,370 don't know what you're doing what 525 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:16,409 happened was was a lot of a lot of these 526 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,210 early foresters came out in the big 527 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:20,460 cities like Chicago when you members of 528 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:22,770 Chicago fires they saw it fire doing 529 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:25,320 Stroman to homes and people and out west 530 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:27,510 there were some big fires back before in 531 00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:29,640 the early turn of the century and these 532 00:22:34,460 --> 00:22:31,980 fires burned up whole town's out there 533 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,470 prairie fires and whatever okay you're 534 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:35,760 not gonna get into a whole discussion 535 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:38,490 about the environment and ecology except 536 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,470 insofar as it might relate to eating 537 00:22:44,659 --> 00:22:42,419 other subjects we're talking 538 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,669 Exopolitics which is what we're going to 539 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:46,799 start to pick up on in the next segment 540 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:48,150 you're listening to 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nature 653 00:27:35,389 --> 00:27:31,950 but now let's bring it back to the UFO 654 00:27:37,879 --> 00:27:35,399 world okay you got any force it in the 655 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,889 paranormal what about UFOs did you ever 656 00:27:41,779 --> 00:27:39,960 see one okay to bring this back before 657 00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:41,789 we get to that the fire suppression 658 00:27:45,859 --> 00:27:44,279 wasn't bought people some people that 659 00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:45,869 were high up in the Forest Service and 660 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:49,139 whatever had a emotionally negative 661 00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:51,330 impression about fire because of what 662 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:52,860 had happened you know to the whole 663 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:55,320 cities being burned up so they tried to 664 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,570 apply that to nature they fell if it's 665 00:28:01,249 --> 00:27:59,700 bad for man then it's got to be bad for 666 00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:01,259 nature and they didn't know what they're 667 00:28:05,629 --> 00:28:03,299 doing and they created these huge fire 668 00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:05,639 accumulations that even today blow up 669 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,590 and burn huge sections of the western 670 00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,360 United States and in that fire 671 00:28:13,009 --> 00:28:11,279 suppression are of special interest so 672 00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,019 even if you start getting people trained 673 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:16,159 to use fire properly and remove the fire 674 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:18,450 exclusion policy you get these special 675 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,340 interests involved and this is exactly 676 00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,799 the same thing that happens in the UFO 677 00:28:27,379 --> 00:28:24,840 field in the field of EXO politics is 678 00:28:29,239 --> 00:28:27,389 because it becomes special interest 679 00:28:33,019 --> 00:28:29,249 started getting involved and they start 680 00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,029 distorting the truth and the process for 681 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:35,279 financial reasons okay what the 682 00:28:44,659 --> 00:28:38,730 financial reasons would impact studying 683 00:28:47,409 --> 00:28:44,669 UFOs and possible et visitations the 684 00:28:51,139 --> 00:28:47,419 technology involved with 685 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:51,149 extraterrestrial life and UFOs field 686 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:53,570 propulsion systems cheap energy 687 00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,730 technologies involving you know fields 688 00:29:02,930 --> 00:28:59,580 from the zero-point energy a lot of this 689 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:02,940 kind of stuff is very profitable if you 690 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:04,529 don't have any competition if you create 691 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:05,820 a monopoly so I 692 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:07,530 I kind of came up with this idea with 693 00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,570 the idea that basically what we're up 694 00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:11,820 against in the UFO field that's that's 695 00:29:17,150 --> 00:29:14,040 causing the continued government 696 00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:17,160 cover-up of UFOs is there is like an 697 00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:19,560 alien resource cartel like what you have 698 00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:21,420 with the oil cartel you know you in the 699 00:29:25,670 --> 00:29:23,670 oil cartel you had nations that are 700 00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:25,680 organized to keep the price of oil up 701 00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,560 and to you know suppress some you know 702 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:30,840 other technologies that may you know 703 00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:32,970 cause problems so therefore the threat 704 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:36,180 of possible alien technology which maybe 705 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:44,210 understand but if we are able to get a 706 00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:47,130 hold of advanced alien aircraft somehow 707 00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,070 reverse engineered discover new cheaper 708 00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,520 forms of propulsion whatever the oil 709 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:55,740 companies the vested interests don't 710 00:30:00,200 --> 00:29:57,690 want that to happen so they stop it is 711 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:00,210 that on the other hand you have 712 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:02,070 companies like General Electric who have 713 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:03,300 been involved in this from the get-go 714 00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:05,040 you know if you really want to get into 715 00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:06,390 the origins of the cover-up and 716 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:08,070 everything you know you need to go back 717 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:11,130 to the early 1940s and eat specially in 718 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:13,290 the late 40s of Operation Paperclip 719 00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,610 you know when we brought all the Nazi 720 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:16,860 Nazi scientists over right after the war 721 00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:18,450 for the rocket programs 722 00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:20,180 well General Electric was a 723 00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:23,070 subcontractor our contractor to the Army 724 00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:25,950 at the time for all the rock the rocket 725 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,160 research you know on the early rockets 726 00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:31,260 you know burnt von Braun and Oberg and 727 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:33,780 all those they also brought over ones 728 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,370 that hadn't been working in here in 729 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,080 Germany what looks like with field 730 00:30:42,290 --> 00:30:38,880 propulsion systems and that it may have 731 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,300 been a crash as early as 1938 or 36 in 732 00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,640 Germany okay we have maybes here okay 733 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,520 and so let's just kind of bring this to 734 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:50,340 a core question here okay to 735 00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:52,530 reverse-engineer alien technology we 736 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:54,900 have to possess the alien technology in 737 00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,450 1938 you say there may have been a crash 738 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,240 where did this possible crash occur what 739 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,640 evidence is there for it you can go on 740 00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,340 internet and I've got it linked and one 741 00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:07,380 append them into my articles on this the 742 00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:09,300 book that I'm writing right now rewrite 743 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:11,990 a lot of my articles you might type in 744 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:16,980 German UFO crash 1938 if that means 745 00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:19,770 that's not yet 36 you'll probably get it 746 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:21,180 it's basically it's on the internet it 747 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:23,130 means it's true doesn't mean it's true 748 00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:25,530 but that information is there and you 749 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:27,630 can study up on that and but now on 750 00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:30,210 value there are documents that show that 751 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:33,720 the Germans were involved in this kind 752 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:36,090 of technology that can also be accessed 753 00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:37,320 on an Internet know something I mean 754 00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:38,700 it's true but it you know that's 755 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:41,430 accessible on the Internet and I think 756 00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:42,870 you can prove to your own satisfaction 757 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:45,030 that it is true some some of these 758 00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:48,390 documents and drawings technical 759 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:50,520 drawings are real okay I have a 760 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:52,110 reference here I have a reference here 761 00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:52,650 okay 762 00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,660 and we're talking about a UFO that's 763 00:32:02,240 --> 00:31:56,240 supposedly crashed in the Black Forest 764 00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:02,250 in Nazi Germany in 1936 right yeah it's 765 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:05,580 a crash that meant therefore that these 766 00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:08,490 famous scientists like von Braun were 767 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:12,900 called in to check this this crash of an 768 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,570 alien spacecraft and supposedly they 769 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:17,760 tried to reverse engineer something yes 770 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:20,130 there was so right there true program 771 00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,500 there was a public program that when the 772 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:24,600 beauty too started dropping bombs on 773 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:25,920 London you know everybody knew about 774 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:28,410 those rockets right and and you know jet 775 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,990 airplanes yeah at the end of the war but 776 00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:33,840 there was this also this parallel space 777 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:36,990 program or aerospace program that seems 778 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,430 to have begun about then with the 779 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:40,320 Germans first and then later and later 780 00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:43,080 it was when we moved the Germans rocket 781 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,820 scientists we also moved some of these 782 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:46,620 scientists involved in field propulsion 783 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:50,160 systems are connected to it also there's 784 00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:52,230 one guy one guy showed up here just 785 00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:54,630 recently in this parsec interview that 786 00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:57,750 Steven Greer had done with this computer 787 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:00,510 security expert and he brought up that 788 00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:03,690 he had met at Tonopah yeah there was a 789 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,840 that's pardon Alice and now us okay but 790 00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:08,820 if they were successful in these 791 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:10,830 developments what technology came from 792 00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:14,250 it the v2 rocket no no that v2 rocket 793 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:22,680 was the public it's a public excuse me 794 00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:26,760 it okay faced with the setbacks the end 795 00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:29,940 of World War two Nazi Germany wants to 796 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:32,920 save the Reich they couldn't bring 797 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:34,810 some alien technology to make it happen 798 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:36,970 well that's what they were working on 799 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:38,950 but they didn't get into the point where 800 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:40,450 they could use it like they were able to 801 00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:42,250 use the Rockets because they didn't have 802 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:43,780 a lot of time if you know apparently 803 00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,730 they got into it in the late thirty it's 804 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,440 not any earlier than that but they were 805 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:49,120 where is the evidence I see the 806 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:51,790 references online there's dozens of 807 00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:55,570 references to a UFO crash in 1936 and 808 00:34:00,720 --> 00:33:59,440 reports where is a smoking gun okay what 809 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:00,730 do you mean what kind of evidence are 810 00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:02,530 you talking about evidence that happened 811 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:03,640 that's just because somebody writes it 812 00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:05,710 on the Internet what evidence is there 813 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:08,679 that's such a crash took place whether 814 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:10,300 somebody writes on the Internet depends 815 00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:11,710 who writes at whether that person is 816 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,870 credible you know who it is are you 817 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:15,040 talking you know it for instance you 818 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:18,520 know both Oberth and von Braun said that 819 00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:20,530 extraterrestrials were real basically 820 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:22,540 you know and they made those statements 821 00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:23,890 and those quotes are available I mean 822 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:26,429 they're pretty close right now beware 823 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:30,010 but if you're looking for hard okay and 824 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:32,370 where are those quotes available 825 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:36,550 okay just go to my blog XO politics dot 826 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:40,210 blog spot.com slash okay but instead of 827 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:41,590 having everybody look it over why don't 828 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:42,610 you summarize it 829 00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:44,520 where did they make these statements 830 00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:48,160 okay I'm gonna have to go and see what's 831 00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,080 written with the quote you can look it 832 00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:52,000 up anybody can just put in searching or 833 00:34:58,170 --> 00:34:55,179 Oberth extraterrestrial and you'll come 834 00:35:00,960 --> 00:34:58,180 up with probably with the quote you want 835 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:00,970 to do that or me do that okay so if I 836 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,330 look up Oberth and ETM yeah look up 837 00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:07,200 Oberth and extraterrestrial Oberth and 838 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:09,340 extraterrestrial this is live research 839 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:14,050 ladies and gentlemen yeah okay Oberth an 840 00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:18,370 extraterrestrial his Wikipedia entry 841 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:22,390 okay mm-hmm and let's just okay he was 842 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,090 obviously a supporter of the et 843 00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:28,960 hypothesis for UFOs we understand that 844 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:31,300 okay so let's okay that's pretty much 845 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:34,180 confirmed believe in UFOs were real on 846 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:36,220 the other hand did you ever have any 847 00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:39,130 evidence you're not you're not gonna 848 00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:40,540 have any physical evidence because 849 00:35:44,070 --> 00:35:42,430 anybody to get physical evidence and 850 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:44,080 they talk about it it's going to 851 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:45,550 disappear on them I mean the one the 852 00:35:48,569 --> 00:35:46,900 best cases of that 853 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:48,579 happening in the most detailed is in 854 00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:50,920 which Chris's you know you know is 855 00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:54,430 well-aware which is Ray Stanford's it's 856 00:36:00,299 --> 00:35:58,049 an oral crash in wish there was some a 857 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:00,309 little bit of metal from the landing 858 00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,750 gear that was that he recovered and the 859 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:07,599 whole process he went through and the 860 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:08,950 song and dance he had to do and it 861 00:36:12,839 --> 00:36:11,260 disappeared from disappeared that during 862 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:12,849 the examination you know when he's had 863 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:16,630 it happens right he blame a lot call for 864 00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:20,680 forty years for that one blaming dick 865 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,779 hall for a lot of things or he's no 866 00:36:26,279 --> 00:36:24,640 longer here to defend himself I'll tell 867 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:26,289 you what let's do the break it and then 868 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:28,450 we'll cover this and we'll cover you 869 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:31,000 know where we go from here edie coma 870 00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:33,670 wreck the subject excel politics we're 871 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:35,500 talking also about whether there was a 872 00:36:41,309 --> 00:36:38,380 UFO crash in 1936 in the Black Forest in 873 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:41,319 Germany about statements made by the 874 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:43,930 German scientists and more with Jean and 875 00:37:00,320 --> 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what's going on in terms of knowledge 987 00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:27,170 about ET and understand ed because 988 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:30,470 somebody believes in UFOs or accepts the 989 00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:32,980 possibility that some UFOs or spaceships 990 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:35,960 doesn't mean they have evidence to 991 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:38,810 demonstrate that well that's what you 992 00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:41,930 mean by evidence is that when you 993 00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:43,940 consider witness testimony from a 994 00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:47,540 credible person evidence well I've got 995 00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,930 yeah there's a good one here dr. Hermann 996 00:41:59,620 --> 00:41:57,920 Oberth who pioneered rocket design for 997 00:42:01,630 --> 00:41:59,630 the German Reich during World War 2 and 998 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:01,640 later advanced rocket technology for the 999 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:03,730 American manned space launches 1000 00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:07,010 cryptically stated quote we cannot take 1001 00:42:11,470 --> 00:42:09,500 the credit for a record advancement in 1002 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:11,480 certain scientific fields alone we have 1003 00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:13,250 been helped when asked by whom he 1004 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:22,210 extraterrestrial he the other top rocket 1005 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:24,410 fine yeah there's another one 1006 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:26,570 it is my thesis that flying saucers are 1007 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:28,730 real and that they are spaceships from 1008 00:42:32,620 --> 00:42:31,130 another solar system there was no doubt 1009 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:32,630 in my mind that these objects are 1010 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,450 interplanetary craft of some sort I and 1011 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:38,000 my colleagues are confident that they do 1012 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:41,930 not originate in our solar system we 1013 00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:43,430 might as well just forget it because 1014 00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:44,750 you're not going to have any hard 1015 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:46,190 evidence because the evidence it's going 1016 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:48,950 to be immediately confiscated and it's 1017 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:50,810 happened over time and time again you 1018 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:52,850 know I was talking to Lenz Stringfield 1019 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,250 years ago when he was you know when he 1020 00:43:00,070 --> 00:42:58,160 was bitten alive and we were talking 1021 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:00,080 about dr. Hynek and you know in dr. 1022 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:03,650 Hynek having allegiance to the 1023 00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:04,970 intelligence community or to the 1024 00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:07,100 airforce first into the public second 1025 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:09,590 and strength ville told me personally 1026 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:12,530 that tonic thought he had some debris 1027 00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:15,770 from a crash and Hynek told him later 1028 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:19,340 after after the fact that he didn't have 1029 00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:20,810 you know didn't end up having it but 1030 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,840 honey thought he did that after he did 1031 00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:25,490 this lecture Hynek said that he had 1032 00:43:29,049 --> 00:43:27,380 several Air Force 1033 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:29,059 on the airforce there to confiscate that 1034 00:43:31,299 --> 00:43:30,710 material from him right there on the 1035 00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:31,309 spot 1036 00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:34,190 honey told him that and then also if you 1037 00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:37,460 remember jock belly Hanako jock believed 1038 00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,109 that he was getting money through the 1039 00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:41,839 CIA through the mcgraw-hill cutout and 1040 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:44,750 so you've got to understand that these 1041 00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:47,210 guys you know in in the case of ray 1042 00:43:51,819 --> 00:43:50,150 Sanford Hynek was very involved with ray 1043 00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:51,829 Stanford in that case and whatever and 1044 00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:53,990 so you knew immediately when there was 1045 00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:56,359 evidence and they know how to track the 1046 00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:58,190 evidence and that adness is going to 1047 00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,210 disappear so I mean if you're looking 1048 00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:01,490 for hard out but that's you know when 1049 00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:04,190 you're dealing with a multi-billion 1050 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,589 trillion dollar cover-up of these 1051 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,720 technologies and whatever you're not 1052 00:44:12,249 --> 00:44:10,160 going to be able to get that evidence 1053 00:44:13,749 --> 00:44:12,259 out there public even if you start to 1054 00:44:15,789 --> 00:44:13,759 get it out it's going to be picked up 1055 00:44:17,950 --> 00:44:15,799 through the intelligence networks and 1056 00:44:19,299 --> 00:44:17,960 then they're gone to come down on you 1057 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:19,309 pretty hard and there's case after case 1058 00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:21,890 of situations like that word either 1059 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:24,109 disrepute disappeared or you know people 1060 00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,450 had you know came down hard on them okay 1061 00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:30,079 so basically the answer is here is that 1062 00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:32,180 you can't ever get evidence and present 1063 00:44:36,970 --> 00:44:34,579 it because the powers that be will take 1064 00:44:39,069 --> 00:44:36,980 it from you well it depends it 1065 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:39,079 disqualifies what you mean by evidence 1066 00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:40,490 there are a lot of different kinds of 1067 00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:42,589 evidence there's witness testimony is 1068 00:44:45,999 --> 00:44:44,329 evidence in the court of law that can 1069 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:46,009 put somebody in prison for their whole 1070 00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:48,049 life or even have them put to the 1071 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:50,660 electric chair okay so we understand 1072 00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:52,609 that eyewitness testimony can certainly 1073 00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:54,230 be used in a court of law to convict 1074 00:44:58,839 --> 00:44:56,390 somebody all right we understand that 1075 00:45:01,089 --> 00:44:58,849 but I think part of it is also the 1076 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:01,099 acceptance of the facts around it 1077 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:02,930 because we know that witness testimony 1078 00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:06,890 can be unreliable so it's not just the 1079 00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:08,750 ideas testimony it's supporting evidence 1080 00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:11,990 you know well okay he saw John Smith or 1081 00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,940 whoever commits this crime gotta finish 1082 00:45:27,549 --> 00:45:24,500 okay let me finish my statement you can 1083 00:45:29,289 --> 00:45:27,559 finish yours okay so we assume then if 1084 00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:29,299 someone says I saw John Smith commit 1085 00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:31,880 this act and we can basically find 1086 00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:33,470 evidence that John Smith was in the 1087 00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,990 neighborhood when he committed the the 1088 00:45:40,059 --> 00:45:37,359 convenience store robbery or something 1089 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:40,069 so you know there's some backup evidence 1090 00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:40,610 it's not 1091 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:42,350 what someone says someone says they were 1092 00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:45,650 sexually abused you're going to look at 1093 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:47,060 that and see if there's other evidence 1094 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:49,730 trace evidence such as DNA stuff like 1095 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:51,890 that they do with a woman what they call 1096 00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,630 a rape kit if you've seen you know law 1097 00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:55,520 and order you know about that's there's 1098 00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:57,220 going to be evidence so it's not just 1099 00:46:01,960 --> 00:45:59,630 the mone 1100 00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:01,970 it's the accompanying evidence and also 1101 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,120 how reliable that person is that's right 1102 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,000 okay and and in court you know you have 1103 00:46:11,710 --> 00:46:09,920 both sides present their case and they 1104 00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:11,720 argue you know their case they present 1105 00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:13,430 their witness testimony and any physical 1106 00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:15,230 evidence that they have and then the 1107 00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:17,660 court decides you know what the truth is 1108 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:20,390 and and comes up with a sentence or the 1109 00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:22,910 judge comes up with the sentence and so 1110 00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:24,230 we're trying this in the court of public 1111 00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:25,070 opinion 1112 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:26,870 so to speak I would suppose you know 1113 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:28,190 being that has never really gotten into 1114 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:29,930 the you know been it got into the court 1115 00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:31,250 themes of some of the people I've talked 1116 00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:33,800 about doing that and presenting it you 1117 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:36,710 know in a court type of environment but 1118 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:38,930 now if you want start to get into 1119 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:41,090 physical evidence you know in 1120 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:45,170 association with say alien contact for 1121 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:48,290 instance Bob you know Bob Collins I'm 1122 00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:51,530 sure you're familiar with yeah Robert 1123 00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:56,870 Collins okay on his Facebook page you I 1124 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:00,140 think he should still find a link to a 1125 00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:02,810 case that he's been involved in along 1126 00:47:11,350 --> 00:47:08,620 with Sims which a witness said that that 1127 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,360 the graves had been messing with him and 1128 00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:13,760 he took a sword and he whack one and got 1129 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:18,740 blood and that blood was then sent off 1130 00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:20,980 by I guess the guy's name was Levengood 1131 00:47:26,830 --> 00:47:24,560 and yellow and yeah Livengood according 1132 00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:26,840 to Bob so I mean in that case you'd not 1133 00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:29,000 only have the witness testimony but you 1134 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:35,540 do have alleged DNA or hemoglobin 1135 00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,610 evidence or whatever so I mean you can 1136 00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:39,440 concentrate on those cases okay so let's 1137 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:42,080 say okay the evidence then where is it 1138 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:48,110 where is that DNA evidence to the grass 1139 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:50,110 lakes by a physical laboratory up in 1140 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:54,030 Wisconsin where WC Levengood 1141 00:48:02,720 --> 00:47:56,970 has his lab and stuff there yeah yeah so 1142 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:02,730 you can we we've offered an invitation 1143 00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:05,010 for Bob to come on the show and talk 1144 00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:06,870 about the case but we haven't really got 1145 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:10,380 him to commit yeah yes we'd like to see 1146 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,450 the results that evidence he said it's 1147 00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:17,220 got pretty serious though and dangerous 1148 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:19,320 and you know people have been you know 1149 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,950 harassed and whatever and that's what 1150 00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:24,660 kind of situation you go run into and 1151 00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,110 somebody get some real evidence because 1152 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:29,880 you know if you got came up with real 1153 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:31,770 evidence and you could get it out to the 1154 00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:33,330 media and you could get it out to the 1155 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:34,140 mass public 1156 00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:37,230 no more cover-ups so there's no way the 1157 00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:38,790 intelligence communities and people 1158 00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,620 involved in the cartels involved in this 1159 00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,720 girl lets that happen and if you know if 1160 00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:44,430 it starts you know they're going to stop 1161 00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:45,990 it if they can if not they're going to 1162 00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,790 destroy your reputation okay so 1163 00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,220 basically though this may be true I'm 1164 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,920 not going to say it's not but also it 1165 00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:54,480 could be used as an excuse you could say 1166 00:48:58,070 --> 00:48:55,950 well the reason I don't have evidence 1167 00:49:01,040 --> 00:48:58,080 for this is because it was confiscated 1168 00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:01,050 or the powers that be won't be presented 1169 00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,120 I gave it to this laboratory and it 1170 00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:05,340 disappeared I sent the photographs off 1171 00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:07,260 to be examined and the photographs 1172 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:12,120 vanished couldn't find him also use as 1173 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:16,410 an excuse and it works if you don't 1174 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:18,630 interrupt me okay okay we're trying to 1175 00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:21,330 be civil here okay but I understand what 1176 00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:21,870 you're saying 1177 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:24,630 but the problem is here is that it's 1178 00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,690 also a convenient excuse to say wait a 1179 00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:30,240 minute wait a minute they took the 1180 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,580 evidence they won't be presented that 1181 00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:34,260 can be an excuse also how do I know 1182 00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:35,070 that's true 1183 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:36,840 yeah I completely agree because and 1184 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:38,970 that's basically is how do you tell the 1185 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:40,410 difference between a counterfeit dollar 1186 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:42,900 and a real dollar especially if the 1187 00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:44,730 counterfeit dollars made by real good 1188 00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,950 Connors counterfeiter you know so you 1189 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:48,660 know basically the bottom line is you 1190 00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,850 you're right there are people and there 1191 00:49:54,590 --> 00:49:53,040 and the UFO community is right with 1192 00:49:58,310 --> 00:49:54,600 these people that are creating false 1193 00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:58,320 false narratives based upon their 1194 00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,510 exposure to the UFO community so they're 1195 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:03,000 feeding information back through into a 1196 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:06,210 false narrative and if you don't have 1197 00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,710 collaborating evidence 1198 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,480 you really setting yourself up to go 1199 00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:11,220 over a cliff with them and a lot of 1200 00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:12,420 people are doing that and it's 1201 00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:14,040 discouraging a lot of people in the 1202 00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,900 field and people give up once they've 1203 00:50:19,070 --> 00:50:17,400 been had and they've been conned 1204 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:19,080 they give up and they don't go any 1205 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,690 further okay they're kind of covers this 1206 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:24,180 issue of the UFO crash in the block 1207 00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,490 forest we have reports that may have 1208 00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,320 happened but we don't have evidence that 1209 00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:30,540 ever that evidence has been confiscated 1210 00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:33,089 you would have to go back and study what 1211 00:50:36,859 --> 00:50:35,580 you gonna have to rely mostly you know 1212 00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:36,869 you're probably just wasting your time 1213 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:39,270 if you're looking for some physical 1214 00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:41,730 evidence that solid evidence that's 1215 00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:43,380 going to blow the cover-up wide open 1216 00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,030 because you're not that would end the 1217 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,920 cover-up be no more cover-up at that 1218 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:49,260 time so what we have to do in lieu of 1219 00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:51,650 not having access to that kind of 1220 00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,030 material and being able to get it out in 1221 00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,940 the public domain we have to rely rely 1222 00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:58,680 on witness testimony and on the 1223 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:00,390 credibility of in a bit certain 1224 00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:02,820 individuals like Oberth and Wernher von 1225 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,119 Braun been rich you know who said that 1226 00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,160 we have the technology to take e.t home 1227 00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:09,960 and it would take an act of God to get 1228 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:11,310 it out of the you know out of the 1229 00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:14,010 corporations and whatnot into the public 1230 00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:18,270 hands that leads us to to you know the 1231 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:21,000 logical progression in the conversation 1232 00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:23,369 would be what you cover in Chapter three 1233 00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,660 of your book that's slowly being 1234 00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,640 published online at your blogspot and 1235 00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:29,099 that is the whole idea of the breakaway 1236 00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,380 civilization is I think Richard Dolan 1237 00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,359 was one one that coined it okay he's 1238 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:35,640 going to the breakaway civilization but 1239 00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,410 we have to break away with that comb 1240 00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:39,300 rack and gene and Chris you're in the 1241 00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,920 the GC and radio network providing the 1242 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:50,960 world with 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standard of paranormal radio and 1271 00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:11,820 now here's James Steinberg we're 1272 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:16,380 focusing on UFOs crash UFOs in 1936 1273 00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:19,050 Exopolitics so much more with gene and 1274 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,110 Chris you're in the para cast Edie 1275 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:24,720 comrade Chris was mentioning something 1276 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:27,960 about a chapter in your book Chris pick 1277 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,170 it up yeah the whole idea that as 1278 00:53:35,330 --> 00:53:33,720 Richard Dolan has claimed at the 1279 00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:35,340 breakaway civilization which would 1280 00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:37,860 include some sort of secret space 1281 00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:40,140 program which you kind of alluded to 1282 00:53:46,550 --> 00:53:43,710 that the the Third Reich or the Nazis 1283 00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:46,560 may have had something akin to that and 1284 00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:50,460 also the whole idea of special access 1285 00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:53,790 programs which are highly classified and 1286 00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:55,710 highly protected by the government in 1287 00:53:58,700 --> 00:53:57,180 the military-industrial complex 1288 00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:58,710 where do you come down on this now you 1289 00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:00,390 do have quite a bit of information in 1290 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:02,580 here that does seem to suggest that we 1291 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:06,510 do have this scenario alive and well why 1292 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:08,490 don't we talk about the next kind of 1293 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:13,250 step from the cover up into a breakaway 1294 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,530 like civilization now in terms of stolen 1295 00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:19,260 evidence I can gene believe me UFO 1296 00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:21,300 evidence that does get stolen I've had 1297 00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:24,540 stuff stolen maps photographs a master 1298 00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:26,550 tape of an incredible sighting that was 1299 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:29,400 videotaped / Hooper Colorado when I went 1300 00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:31,410 to put a trace on the certified return 1301 00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:34,500 receipt requested insured package my 1302 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:36,510 postmaster didn't even have a form to 1303 00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,810 fill out because of this disappeared a 1304 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:42,630 certified package so these this type of 1305 00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,370 thing does occur it's it's fairly 1306 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:47,280 routine and this does suggest that there 1307 00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:49,710 is some agency monitoring this type of 1308 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,020 information so let's let's look at this 1309 00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:54,000 whole idea of a secret space program in 1310 00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:55,500 a breakaway civilization and where do 1311 00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,360 you come down on them well what I'm 1312 00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,180 trying to do and writing rewriting this 1313 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:03,720 book is to present my argument that 1314 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,930 there is first there is this breakaway 1315 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:08,520 society or civilization that 1316 00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:11,610 is involved in very a very advanced 1317 00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:14,430 space program that is covert and that we 1318 00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:16,710 know that the public doesn't general 1319 00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:18,360 public does not know about it and also 1320 00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,600 this is also very involved in tunneling 1321 00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,960 and underground facilities secure 1322 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:27,300 facilities particularly in the western 1323 00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:30,060 United States and whatever out of the 1324 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,480 public eye and that this all began way 1325 00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,000 back apparently maybe with the Germans 1326 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:38,280 and then Operation Paperclip there were 1327 00:55:42,110 --> 00:55:40,410 two space programs there was a secret 1328 00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:42,120 space program and then there was the 1329 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,550 public space program and then in the 1330 00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:46,920 1960s my argument is in which I'm 1331 00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:49,800 presenting evidence is that possibly 1332 00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:51,870 speculating that one of the reasons that 1333 00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:54,270 we didn't go back to the moon was is 1334 00:56:01,940 --> 00:55:58,740 that we simply shifted from the rocket 1335 00:56:04,580 --> 00:56:01,950 space program to a more advanced type of 1336 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,590 space program and that we have continued 1337 00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:06,000 to go back to the moon and they even 1338 00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:09,060 have a base on the moon in Mars now so 1339 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,920 I'm presenting this argument you know 1340 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:13,380 through these chapters that that's 1341 00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,950 indeed what has happened and that it's 1342 00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:18,660 not something I can really explain very 1343 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:19,980 well an interview people have to go 1344 00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:22,290 study the links that I present for that 1345 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:25,560 you know for the evidence for this okay 1346 00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,930 we've heard this before that there is a 1347 00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,480 parallel space program being held in 1348 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,880 secret where they're using advanced 1349 00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:35,520 spacecraft and all sorts of things have 1350 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:38,430 been discovered whatever okay but again 1351 00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:40,530 we have the same problem how the heck do 1352 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,520 we nail this down well it takes a lot of 1353 00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:47,400 time and it takes a lot of work it takes 1354 00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:50,910 a lot of study and the general public 1355 00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:53,070 you know is almost it's almost 1356 00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:55,080 impossible the general public to sort it 1357 00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:57,630 out because you have all these frogs in 1358 00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:01,680 the field you know involved in this so 1359 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,110 the best that we can do I feel like I 1360 00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:06,540 can do is to write this book you know 1361 00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:09,000 which is really a summary of all the 1362 00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:11,220 information that's in my over 200 1363 00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,140 articles that I've written and have 1364 00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,880 circulated on the internet for the last 1365 00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:17,040 ten years and all the links to that 1366 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:20,190 information to present the argument that 1367 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:21,690 this is indeed what's happening for 1368 00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,200 instance 1369 00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:24,480 you can see the timeline is despite the 1370 00:57:28,579 --> 00:57:27,000 secret space program develops there's a 1371 00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:28,589 very important document that gets 1372 00:57:34,579 --> 00:57:30,599 overlooked by a lot of people which is 1373 00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:34,589 the 1956 wright-patterson Declassified 1374 00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:36,990 document on the state of extra gravity 1375 00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:40,980 in 1956 whatever its pages and pages and 1376 00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,760 pages and in that then that it clearly 1377 00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,760 shows in that document that major 1378 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:50,099 corporations General Electric and other 1379 00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:52,050 corporations that became the defense 1380 00:57:56,420 --> 00:57:53,849 collectors we have today and 1381 00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:56,430 whatever but General Electric really 1382 00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:58,530 sticks out like a red flag in fact 1383 00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,900 General Electric one of the prime 1384 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:03,359 debunkers phil cloths and the UFO 1385 00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,250 community worked for General Electric in 1386 00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,680 1950 and General Electric was involved 1387 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:09,900 in bringing the Nazis over in Operation 1388 00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:10,530 Paperclip 1389 00:58:14,839 --> 00:58:12,510 you know what interests me just as much 1390 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,849 here when you look at stuff like that is 1391 00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,520 that statement that former defense 1392 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:20,700 secretary Donald Rumsfeld made on the 1393 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:23,070 day before 9/11 September 10th about 1394 00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:25,050 what several trillions of dollars they 1395 00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:28,380 could not account for 2.2 trillion okay 1396 00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:30,630 two point two trillion dollars and we go 1397 00:58:36,290 --> 00:58:33,660 back to the jokes about how the military 1398 00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:36,300 spends $400 on a toilet seat and then 1399 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,710 there's that funny statement in the 1400 00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:39,359 movie Independence Day by Judd Hirsch 1401 00:58:42,859 --> 00:58:41,369 you know I mean they spend made hundred 1402 00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:42,869 dollars on a toilet seat or something 1403 00:58:47,059 --> 00:58:45,480 that they're using this to fund some 1404 00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:47,069 sort of black project of course that 1405 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,839 doesn't mean this had any connection 1406 00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:51,359 with 9/11 except that it knocked the 1407 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:54,680 statement off the radar so is that also 1408 00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:56,490 indication that there's a lot of money 1409 00:59:00,589 --> 00:58:58,890 being spent behind the scenes that we're 1410 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:00,599 not accounting for that may accomplish 1411 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:02,730 this but the other question I'd ask is 1412 00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,130 is it just the u.s. with a secret space 1413 00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:06,720 program if we're having secret space 1414 00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:08,670 programs what about the Chinese what 1415 00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:10,230 about the Russians they're doing it too 1416 00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:12,270 well the poor thing to look at is that 1417 00:59:16,730 --> 00:59:14,760 right you know if you really into 1418 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:16,740 documents and documented evidence is 1419 00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:18,450 that white Patterson paper because 1420 00:59:22,339 --> 00:59:20,910 that's clearly not a hoax that is or it 1421 00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:22,349 was Declassified and wright-patterson 1422 00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:24,710 and you can just look up on internet 1423 00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:28,710 electrogravitics 1956 right Patterson 1424 00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,560 and you'll get it and I've got it in my 1425 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:33,900 book I put the whole thing in there 1426 00:59:36,090 --> 00:59:35,609 because it's so important because this 1427 00:59:38,070 --> 00:59:36,100 show 1428 00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:38,080 is that the state of electrical physics 1429 00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:40,840 is basically negation of gravity and if 1430 00:59:45,810 --> 00:59:44,230 that document shows that in 1956 or a 1431 00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:45,820 little before that the document guess 1432 00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:49,240 was written in 1956 that these companies 1433 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:51,460 like General Electric we're on the verge 1434 00:59:56,790 --> 00:59:54,370 of making major advancements in electro 1435 00:59:58,530 --> 00:59:56,800 kinetics and it was a big thing back 1436 01:00:01,590 --> 00:59:58,540 then I remember even as a little kid 1437 01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:01,600 having a having a book with a rocket you 1438 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:03,550 know so and so and like the antigravity 1439 01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:05,980 paint this little rocket was painting it 1440 01:00:09,630 --> 01:00:07,390 was thought it was a lot of talk back 1441 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:09,640 then about anti-gravity but all of a 1442 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:12,370 sudden almost within a year - it 1443 01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:15,010 completely disappeared off the radar ups 1444 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:19,390 public radar nothing zip gone what I'm 1445 01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:21,490 stuck trying argument I'm making is is 1446 01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:23,860 that it just disappeared all the public 1447 01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:26,260 eye but it's because continued in the 1448 01:00:33,570 --> 01:00:30,100 covert realm has classified projects the 1449 01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:33,580 same way as the general space program is 1450 01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:35,860 that it was advancing and another really 1451 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:38,590 good source of information here recently 1452 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:41,290 was Boyd Bushman he's a senior scientist 1453 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:44,770 for Lockheed Martin and he actually came 1454 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:48,970 out and discussed electric that it 1455 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,290 showed how you could set up an 1456 01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:52,240 experiment if you had like five grand 1457 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:54,550 you could take two very powerful magnets 1458 01:01:00,810 --> 01:00:57,450 and that you could cram them together 1459 01:01:03,110 --> 01:01:00,820 reverse polarities and if you dropped it 1460 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:03,120 from up on a stairwell with another 1461 01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:06,310 object the same size and weight and 1462 01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:09,310 everything the this one would come down 1463 01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:12,910 much slower and so this guy you know has 1464 01:01:18,690 --> 01:01:17,080 come out and talked about the stable of 1465 01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:18,700 derivatives but here the second 1466 01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:21,160 interview that he did he actually showed 1467 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:24,790 up in the interview a diagram of a craft 1468 01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:29,410 of saucer that he said had been had had 1469 01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:31,990 been built with a field propulsion 1470 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:34,270 system had been but had been powered by 1471 01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:37,930 a miniature nuclear power plant and so 1472 01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:39,340 that was in 1959 1473 01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:41,950 so the Wright Patterson paper came out 1474 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:46,660 in 1956 but it looks like by 1959 on the 1475 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:49,690 timeline we had a nuclear-powered space 1476 01:01:57,810 --> 01:01:52,570 craft and then if you remember the cash 1477 01:02:01,230 --> 01:01:57,820 Lundgren case which was in the 70s there 1478 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:01,240 was a craft exotic crafts rounded by 1479 01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:05,050 helicopters that irradiated Betty cash 1480 01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:08,740 and this lunder Mike you know and that 1481 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:10,780 even went into Congress and the 1482 01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:12,730 government denied it ever happened and 1483 01:02:16,110 --> 01:02:14,230 they you know got very sick from that 1484 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:16,120 and everything and so my supposition 1485 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:19,030 their speculation is is something went 1486 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:20,650 wrong with the nuclear power plant and 1487 01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:22,810 that was one of ours in the night early 1488 01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:25,120 1970s well another little point on the 1489 01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,070 timeline well you know that raises an 1490 01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:28,960 interesting question here which I really 1491 01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:31,030 think we can pursue before we get into 1492 01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:32,560 more of the meaning effects of politics 1493 01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:34,660 and that is to give people a little bit 1494 01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:36,940 of a cliffhanger how many of these 1495 01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:39,190 so-called craft are really one of ours 1496 01:02:43,290 --> 01:02:41,470 not one of theirs Edie comme Wreckers 1497 01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:43,300 joined us with Jean and Chris you're in 1498 01:02:46,990 --> 01:02:52,680 [Music] 1499 01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:55,109 so here's what happened I was placing an 1500 01:03:00,359 --> 01:02:57,970 order online the site went down it just 1501 01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,369 stopped responding it took hours before 1502 01:03:03,660 --> 01:03:02,079 it returned but I'd already placed the 1503 01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:03,670 order with another 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time ago 1601 01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,720 our old friend Jim Mosley said that he 1602 01:07:34,210 --> 01:07:32,000 thought a lot of UFO cases were earth 1603 01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:34,220 based and I think he did that he admits 1604 01:07:38,670 --> 01:07:36,140 he did that mostly just keep the 1605 01:07:42,190 --> 01:07:38,680 argument going but in point of fact 1606 01:07:45,340 --> 01:07:42,200 that's one discussion that you had home 1607 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:45,350 wrecker raising right now that this 1608 01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:50,090 particular UFO case involve a test of a 1609 01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:53,480 nuclear powered craft made is that 1610 01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,240 correct yeah that's right and so that 1611 01:07:59,830 --> 01:07:58,160 complicates the matter even more so 1612 01:08:02,380 --> 01:07:59,840 what's the public to think you know that 1613 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:02,390 but which we have to go unless you have 1614 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:04,130 enough information and you got enough of 1615 01:08:09,610 --> 01:08:06,770 collaborating evidence on timelines and 1616 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:09,620 and basic intelligence you're going to 1617 01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:11,210 probably not get to the bottom of it 1618 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:12,620 that's why a lot of people just throw up 1619 01:08:16,420 --> 01:08:14,210 their hands because of the fraud in the 1620 01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,430 system and whatever but if you go back 1621 01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:19,040 you can see that the power plant that we 1622 01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:21,020 didn't look like at that time we didn't 1623 01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:23,060 have any kind of exotic power plant 1624 01:08:27,310 --> 01:08:25,070 technology basically the Navy had 1625 01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:27,320 learned how to miniaturize nuclear power 1626 01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:29,870 plants for submarines and for aircraft 1627 01:08:33,070 --> 01:08:31,609 carriers and that sort of thing and they 1628 01:08:34,990 --> 01:08:33,080 were already putting them into 1629 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:35,000 spacecraft to run the field propulsion 1630 01:08:38,349 --> 01:08:36,530 systems because the field propulsion 1631 01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,359 systems use a huge amount of electricity 1632 01:08:41,950 --> 01:08:40,400 so it's got a you know takes a lot of 1633 01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:41,960 power to run that field propulsion 1634 01:08:45,730 --> 01:08:44,060 system so you're already seeing a divert 1635 01:08:47,770 --> 01:08:45,740 your divergence there of the 1636 01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:47,780 reverse-engineered already in the 60s 1637 01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:50,960 late 50s and the 60s that can confuse 1638 01:08:54,579 --> 01:08:53,150 the issue as to witchcraft or 1639 01:08:56,530 --> 01:08:54,589 extraterrestrial it may be 1640 01:08:58,300 --> 01:08:56,540 extraterrestrial politan which ones may 1641 01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:58,310 be our own so you just have to kind of 1642 01:09:03,250 --> 01:09:00,710 keep following the timeline another key 1643 01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:03,260 part of the timeline was in the 19th 1644 01:09:05,650 --> 01:09:03,980 early night 1645 01:09:08,710 --> 01:09:05,660 sixties I don't know if you're familiar 1646 01:09:10,210 --> 01:09:08,720 with Bill you have he claimed to have 1647 01:09:12,910 --> 01:09:10,220 actually worked with an extraterrestrial 1648 01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:12,920 you know in a program involving gray 1649 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:15,290 extraterrestrials tall grass thresholds 1650 01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:19,370 on the simulators for the flying disc 1651 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:23,330 this with in 1960 no this bothers me 1652 01:09:27,249 --> 01:09:24,890 about this and I'm not saying it's not 1653 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:27,259 happening is if we have all of these 1654 01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:30,290 advanced aircraft and we're spending all 1655 01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,060 these trillions of dollars to fight wars 1656 01:09:38,590 --> 01:09:35,920 ground wars in of course the Middle East 1657 01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:38,600 wouldn't make sense and maybe break out 1658 01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:40,040 one of these things from time to time 1659 01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:41,870 and we're not just talking about drones 1660 01:09:44,740 --> 01:09:43,100 because there's no indications that 1661 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:44,750 drones or anything but our own 1662 01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:47,089 technology but break out the stuff and 1663 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:50,150 try to show what we can do and maybe get 1664 01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:52,130 these wars over real fast well the 1665 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:54,200 problems the problems I think is is that 1666 01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:56,150 then our adversaries know how to make 1667 01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:57,620 that make these things or not some of 1668 01:10:02,170 --> 01:09:59,270 it's not all that tough tough to make 1669 01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:02,180 and so if our adversaries you know even 1670 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:03,980 even the Russians though knew what was 1671 01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:06,050 going on you know in the Matan project 1672 01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,400 they had their spies in my Hatton 1673 01:10:11,170 --> 01:10:09,260 project are able to build a bomb right 1674 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:11,180 after the man after we can build our 1675 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:13,130 bomb so you're not fooling these other 1676 01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:16,970 countries but you are fooling the public 1677 01:10:21,370 --> 01:10:19,220 so I think it and it's been and it's a 1678 01:10:23,740 --> 01:10:21,380 general thing you know yes but one point 1679 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:23,750 here if other countries knew we could do 1680 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:26,090 this stuff that would basically allow us 1681 01:10:29,740 --> 01:10:27,890 to assert even greater control and how 1682 01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:29,750 can they not know they certainly have 1683 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:32,900 spies here yeah and they do know and and 1684 01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:35,210 they are kind of involved in it because 1685 01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:37,670 like I actually heard from talked to two 1686 01:10:41,290 --> 01:10:39,800 different people you know some people 1687 01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:41,300 feel like Clifford stone has some 1688 01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:42,980 credibility problems and you can always 1689 01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,080 find problems with different people but 1690 01:10:49,690 --> 01:10:46,880 both Clifford stone and Charles halt 1691 01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:49,700 essentially I told me that stuff that 1692 01:10:54,490 --> 01:10:51,710 the Chinese sent up or the Russians sent 1693 01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:54,500 up they have to ask permission for or it 1694 01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:56,450 just disappears can you imagine trying 1695 01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,730 to tell your public Russian public or 1696 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:00,560 the Chinese public that you can't yet 1697 01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,090 you've got to have America or the 1698 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:03,920 American allies permission to send 1699 01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:06,050 something up into space I mean that's 1700 01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:07,400 not going to go over very well with your 1701 01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,950 public so right there they're not going 1702 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:11,600 to blow the whistle on it it's not in 1703 01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:13,489 their interest and it's not any non 1704 01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:15,260 States is interesti-- bullet whistle on 1705 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:16,820 it but now there's other countries or 1706 01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,489 world country 1707 01:11:20,509 --> 01:11:18,960 whatever that may be you would like to 1708 01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,519 get the information out like you know 1709 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:22,380 the Brazilians who've been declassifying 1710 01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:24,210 a lot of documents I mean the latest 1711 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:26,460 from the petition was is absolutely 1712 01:11:30,259 --> 01:11:28,170 nothing out of the ordinary is going on 1713 01:11:33,259 --> 01:11:30,269 that was presented you know to the White 1714 01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,269 House about UFOs still they're sticking 1715 01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,800 to their storyline that absolutely 1716 01:11:38,299 --> 01:11:36,420 nothing is going on but the British are 1717 01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:38,309 releasing large amount to document 1718 01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:39,960 thousands and thousands of pages the 1719 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:42,030 Brazilians are releasing thousands of 1720 01:11:47,709 --> 01:11:44,610 pages pictures cases working with the 1721 01:11:51,109 --> 01:11:47,719 UFO investigators in Brazil in Argentina 1722 01:11:53,089 --> 01:11:51,119 same thing Peru Ecuador all these 1723 01:11:54,529 --> 01:11:53,099 countries would be classifying documents 1724 01:11:55,939 --> 01:11:54,539 like crazy now anybody can get on the 1725 01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:55,949 internet and look up the documents 1726 01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:57,480 they're real they've been Declassified 1727 01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:59,010 in these different countries whatever 1728 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:00,360 you know they're not they're holding on 1729 01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,249 to the good stuff plus we had a Jenga 1730 01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,280 Vartann couple months back and I asked 1731 01:12:09,589 --> 01:12:07,440 AJ point-blank hey they released any 1732 01:12:13,129 --> 01:12:09,599 films any photographs any good 1733 01:12:15,589 --> 01:12:13,139 scientific data and he said no they did 1734 01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:15,599 in Mexico remember the gun camera photos 1735 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:18,329 in Mexico and I think in Argentina and 1736 01:12:22,069 --> 01:12:20,249 also Ecuador released some stuff because 1737 01:12:25,069 --> 01:12:22,079 Ecuador got really pissed at the CIA I 1738 01:12:27,589 --> 01:12:25,079 was what to use that word but got upset 1739 01:12:30,589 --> 01:12:27,599 at the CIA and some things that happened 1740 01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,599 and they started releasing them from 1741 01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:32,159 some information a lot of these other 1742 01:12:35,509 --> 01:12:33,659 countries are releasing information like 1743 01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,519 crazy short very showing very much that 1744 01:12:39,109 --> 01:12:37,199 the military is very involved in this 1745 01:12:40,549 --> 01:12:39,119 take this very seriously and it's just 1746 01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:40,559 the tip of the iceberg that they're 1747 01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:42,360 releasing while the United States is 1748 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:44,070 still sticking to its false narrative 1749 01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:45,449 that nothing out of the ordinary is 1750 01:12:47,959 --> 01:12:46,920 going on that maybe there's something 1751 01:12:50,629 --> 01:12:47,969 way out there 1752 01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:50,639 I mean light-years away but certainly 1753 01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:52,590 not in everybody's backyard you know 1754 01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,780 affecting your neighbor I mean it still 1755 01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,820 works why fix it you know so they figure 1756 01:12:59,989 --> 01:12:58,320 they can still get away you know with 1757 01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:59,999 this kind of deception in the public in 1758 01:13:02,629 --> 01:13:01,170 the United States whereas in other 1759 01:13:04,549 --> 01:13:02,639 countries they're trying to get the 1760 01:13:05,989 --> 01:13:04,559 information out but the reason I States 1761 01:13:08,089 --> 01:13:05,999 doesn't want to let it out is because 1762 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:08,099 they're number one and all this and 1763 01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,570 they've got a monopoly their 1764 01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:11,880 corporations have gotten a monopoly on 1765 01:13:16,339 --> 01:13:14,249 these technologies and whatever and who 1766 01:13:19,339 --> 01:13:16,349 wants competition to whether you're in 1767 01:13:20,899 --> 01:13:19,349 our oil cartel or whether your trust 1768 01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:20,909 that's your banking trust or whatever 1769 01:13:24,259 --> 01:13:22,289 you're involved in the last thing you 1770 01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:24,269 want is competition because that's going 1771 01:13:28,459 --> 01:13:25,979 to cut down on your profits what I'm 1772 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:28,469 saying is is that there is an alien 1773 01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:30,690 resource cartel made up of corporations 1774 01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:31,350 major 1775 01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:34,350 fence contractors computer companies and 1776 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:35,820 whatever they go all back to that 1777 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,490 wright-patterson Declassified paper that 1778 01:13:42,020 --> 01:13:41,010 are making possibly trillions of dollars 1779 01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:42,030 on this 1780 01:13:46,190 --> 01:13:43,830 they don't want competition and so 1781 01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:46,200 they've got the brakes on any kind of 1782 01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:48,150 effort to try to get this information 1783 01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:50,460 out to the public in any country that 1784 01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:52,680 pushes it too hard can get into trouble 1785 01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:54,750 like Grenada you know there was a lot of 1786 01:14:00,080 --> 01:13:57,300 speculation that Grenada that is real 1787 01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:00,090 that they did go to the UN and present 1788 01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:02,190 you know information released on UFOs 1789 01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:02,820 and whatever 1790 01:14:06,620 --> 01:14:04,710 there's even speculation they might have 1791 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:06,630 had a crash craft or something and they 1792 01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:08,850 got invaded and shortly thereafter yeah 1793 01:14:12,710 --> 01:14:10,710 right after the symposium yeah you're 1794 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:12,720 talking about really big money that's 1795 01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:14,370 the problem that the public has is 1796 01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:16,440 getting being able to wrap their mind 1797 01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:18,990 around something this big it's the same 1798 01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,430 way with this banking cartels 1799 01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:23,520 essentially trying to create a global 1800 01:14:28,340 --> 01:14:25,710 plantation you know the New World Order 1801 01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:28,350 it's so big so bad involve so many 1802 01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:30,780 trillions of dollars and so much of it 1803 01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:34,020 is classified and compartmentalized on a 1804 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:36,060 need-to-know basis most of the rank and 1805 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:37,410 file they even that work on these 1806 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:39,450 programs and stuff don't understand the 1807 01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:41,250 big picture or what's coming down the 1808 01:14:45,170 --> 01:14:43,100 pike and so that's why we don't have 1809 01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,180 whistleblowers and people coming out and 1810 01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,280 saying there's a secret space program 1811 01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,960 that was my next question is how do you 1812 01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:52,080 keep something so expensive so huge so 1813 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:53,640 secret you got your plumber 1814 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:55,530 remember that nixon's plumbers you know 1815 01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:57,450 Watergate that caused so much problem 1816 01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:00,090 because they bungled the the operation 1817 01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,460 to get into Ellsberg's office right I 1818 01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:04,080 mean that was just a small little small 1819 01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:06,420 operation that got bungled you know when 1820 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:07,710 you're talking about such a huge 1821 01:15:12,110 --> 01:15:09,330 operation you're talking about they had 1822 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:12,120 the resources to even if information 1823 01:15:16,910 --> 01:15:14,250 does get out to either desecrated that 1824 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:16,920 person harassed that person intimidate 1825 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,930 them and get them back in the fold again 1826 01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:21,360 and real information when it does come 1827 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:23,070 out on the internet or something you get 1828 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:24,570 a little snippets you know like there's 1829 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:26,730 recently there was a guy who claimed to 1830 01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:28,410 be a captain and he got to talking to 1831 01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,300 some people where was not a very 1832 01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:32,580 credible forum and tell you what we have 1833 01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:34,260 to pursue these revelations from the 1834 01:15:38,180 --> 01:15:35,880 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01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:34,850 stanfield or service really robust spam 1947 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:37,850 filters yeah and usually what happens is 1948 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:40,010 you get hoaxed a few times and you tend 1949 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:42,530 to tighten down on your spam filter and 1950 01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:45,050 the problem with that is you then 1951 01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:47,540 exclude a lot of information that's the 1952 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:49,670 reason that I you know I try to keep my 1953 01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,090 spam filter pretty open and that's why I 1954 01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:55,280 really appreciate you know skeptical 1955 01:21:00,010 --> 01:20:58,190 people is particularly inform skeptics 1956 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:00,020 dissing forum skeptics are uninformed 1957 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:01,700 skeptic that's another thing but inform 1958 01:21:05,470 --> 01:21:03,170 skeptics that know the subject matter 1959 01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:05,480 and whatever can keep me from going off 1960 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:07,280 of a cliff from going too far out on the 1961 01:21:10,990 --> 01:21:08,810 limb and having it breaking up breaking 1962 01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:11,000 off off well we'll let you jump off the 1963 01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:11,270 cliff 1964 01:21:14,290 --> 01:21:12,530 but we'll make sure that we have a 1965 01:21:15,970 --> 01:21:14,300 bungee cord tied to you so you'll bounce 1966 01:21:31,420 --> 01:21:15,980 right back up and we can continue the 1967 01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:31,430 coverage iliyan started off you know 1968 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:32,840 saying that he had extra-terrestrial 1969 01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:34,730 communications and everything else and 1970 01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:36,020 then he goes off the cliff with that 1971 01:21:38,620 --> 01:21:37,340 prediction that you know there was a 1972 01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:38,630 comet going ahead in the mid-atlantic 1973 01:21:42,490 --> 01:21:40,580 and people could have even got hurt and 1974 01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:42,500 that some people even evacuated from the 1975 01:21:46,510 --> 01:21:44,900 African coast because of that prediction 1976 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:46,520 and everything and I was all over him 1977 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:47,930 trying to stop it whatever but I 1978 01:21:51,730 --> 01:21:49,730 couldn't you know and he completely 1979 01:21:53,860 --> 01:21:51,740 discredited him and everything that that 1980 01:21:55,870 --> 01:21:53,870 he was involved in well in look at the 1981 01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,880 the Paul bennewitz case I mean a classic 1982 01:21:59,440 --> 01:21:57,920 example of a guy that was pushed over 1983 01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,450 the cliff because he may have stumbled 1984 01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:02,000 on early digital burst transmissions 1985 01:22:05,710 --> 01:22:03,350 right there at Kirtland 1986 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:05,720 for space well but that was official you 1987 01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:07,010 know kind of an unofficial official 1988 01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:09,320 story whatever but he might actually got 1989 01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:10,910 into something there and that's when you 1990 01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:12,770 get into this whole area deuce New 1991 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:14,360 Mexico which has all come to a light 1992 01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,090 again you know which I myself I'm fairly 1993 01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:19,280 skeptical about Bob Collins who knows 1994 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:21,230 quite a bit seems to think there's 1995 01:22:25,060 --> 01:22:23,090 something to it but it's not located in 1996 01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:25,070 the in on that Indian Reservation it's 1997 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:27,710 located at T's something or whatever or 1998 01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:30,410 whatnot but so that's the problem that 1999 01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:32,120 the public has is wrapping their mind 2000 01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:34,700 around this because it's so big I don't 2001 01:22:39,940 --> 01:22:36,710 know any you guys seen the documentary 2002 01:22:42,940 --> 01:22:39,950 thrive thrive no not yet ok it's on the 2003 01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:42,950 internet I had it on my wall but I 2004 01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:44,690 noticed that I washed it last night 2005 01:22:49,150 --> 01:22:47,390 because I had a good signal here on my 2006 01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:49,160 laptop they did a very I thought they 2007 01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:51,860 did a really good job of wrapping their 2008 01:22:57,970 --> 01:22:55,510 mind around something so vast and almost 2009 01:23:00,640 --> 01:22:57,980 incomprehensible it's just like the 2010 01:23:02,050 --> 01:23:00,650 millions of mert of millions of Jews you 2011 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:02,060 know people that time just could not 2012 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:04,370 believe that the Nazis could be you know 2013 01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:07,130 murdering millions of Jews but it ended 2014 01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:08,120 up they were doing it and they were 2015 01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:09,560 doing it well in a classic on a 2016 01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:12,380 classified top-secret program and that's 2017 01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:14,150 a lot of the problem is like you know I 2018 01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,950 think Hitler even said you know this 2019 01:23:20,650 --> 01:23:18,560 people you know will get smart to the 2020 01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:20,660 small lies but it's the big lies you can 2021 01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,310 really catch people on because people 2022 01:23:26,590 --> 01:23:24,080 can't wrap their minds around it's so 2023 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:26,600 big so you know we're talking about you 2024 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:29,450 know reverse engineered technology in 2025 01:23:33,460 --> 01:23:31,490 whatever that are worth you know tens of 2026 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:33,470 trillions of dollars maybe a hundred 2027 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:35,690 trillion I mean not it's just a huge sum 2028 01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:37,970 that you know it's almost impossible to 2029 01:23:42,370 --> 01:23:40,250 wrap our minds around it's just like you 2030 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:42,380 know what is the value of the Rothschild 2031 01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:45,290 family you know yeah how you know how 2032 01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,390 much that family really worth how much 2033 01:23:52,420 --> 01:23:49,520 of the rockefeller is really worth how 2034 01:23:55,570 --> 01:23:52,430 much of the JP Morgan is really worth 2035 01:23:57,820 --> 01:23:55,580 and are these guys conspiring to create 2036 01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,830 a global plantation with us being the 2037 01:24:03,310 --> 01:23:59,840 serfs on their goggle plantation it's 2038 01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:03,320 such a fantastic such a huge big idea 2039 01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:05,990 that most people can't wrap their own 2040 01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:07,820 minds around it and so how can you fight 2041 01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:09,260 something they go up against something 2042 01:24:14,710 --> 01:24:11,180 that you can't even comprehend it's 2043 01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:14,720 beyond your abilities of awareness 2044 01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:17,110 you're being attacked by 2045 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:19,030 that's operating outside your state of 2046 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:21,610 awareness and so I don't get into you 2047 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:23,530 know good and evil anymore I think of 2048 01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:25,870 terms of predation predator and prey and 2049 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:28,840 that goes back to my you know ecological 2050 01:24:32,850 --> 01:24:30,970 background and whatever that there are 2051 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:32,860 predators in this society and they have 2052 01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:35,530 this accumulated huge sums of money and 2053 01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:37,720 resources and whatever and they can 2054 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:39,730 operate beyond the awareness of the 2055 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:42,850 prayin as you know any predator is very 2056 01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:44,530 important to a predator to you stealth 2057 01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:47,500 is to sneak up on the prey outside and 2058 01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:49,660 there's no state of awareness and I was 2059 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:52,360 also watching a good show on nature in 2060 01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:54,760 which two eagles were working together 2061 01:24:59,190 --> 01:24:57,550 and one came down and said Here I am to 2062 01:25:00,810 --> 01:24:59,200 the rabbit and dive down and a rabbit 2063 01:25:03,150 --> 01:25:00,820 ran out of the brush and the second day 2064 01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:03,160 you'll nailed it so it when you can 2065 01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:06,550 distort the preys awareness you can then 2066 01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:09,340 easily prey on the prey and that's 2067 01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,760 what's happening on us and a lot of ways 2068 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:15,280 we know something's wrong we know we 2069 01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:17,410 don't feel right but we don't real you 2070 01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:20,380 know we don't understand that the 2071 01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:23,020 predation that's being applied to us the 2072 01:25:26,250 --> 01:25:24,760 predation you know from the creation of 2073 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:26,260 money is you know it's a good example 2074 01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:28,330 you know you can turn you you privately 2075 01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:30,490 control the money supply and charge 2076 01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:32,200 interest and then run it you know 2077 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:33,340 through your banks where you can create 2078 01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:36,250 money that's outside of the public 2079 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,020 accountability in whatever you have a 2080 01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:40,000 tremendous power over that society and 2081 01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,680 it's just but it's beyond most people's 2082 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:43,600 awareness and I was just reading that 2083 01:25:47,130 --> 01:25:45,370 quote from Henry Ford there's whatever 2084 01:25:48,750 --> 01:25:47,140 it said if they knew this you know the 2085 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:48,760 public would have a revolution by the 2086 01:25:53,370 --> 01:25:51,370 next morning okay you keep mentioning 2087 01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:53,380 General Electric and I just saw again 2088 01:26:03,240 --> 01:25:57,970 that last year they filed a 57,000 page 2089 01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:03,250 tax return and paid no tax two billion 2090 01:26:06,930 --> 01:26:04,750 dollars of profit they didn't pay a dime 2091 01:26:08,970 --> 01:26:06,940 of tax and by the way Fox News didn't 2092 01:26:11,010 --> 01:26:08,980 pay tax either News Corporation which 2093 01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,020 honors there you go so a lot of this is 2094 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:13,360 going on you know before we even 2095 01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:16,090 progress more into how this all relates 2096 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:18,940 Exopolitics I think the key here is 2097 01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:21,070 maybe all the stuff is going on a lot of 2098 01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:23,080 secret government stuff that's really 2099 01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:24,790 tantalizing would love to know the 2100 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:27,880 answers but other than just going on 2101 01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,570 radio shows like this and writing 2102 01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,520 looks about it and complaining and 2103 01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,920 screaming and yelling and maybe sending 2104 01:26:39,459 --> 01:26:36,320 petitions to the president how do we 2105 01:26:41,740 --> 01:26:39,469 need to find a way to actually bring it 2106 01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:41,750 home to look prove what's going on 2107 01:26:48,220 --> 01:26:44,060 listen to people like Ben rich on his 2108 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:48,230 deathbed that's a classic tell us about 2109 01:26:52,930 --> 01:26:50,810 that one yeah you know it well even 2110 01:26:55,149 --> 01:26:52,940 before on his deathbed I think he was at 2111 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:55,159 a public meeting of some sort you may 2112 01:26:58,030 --> 01:26:57,170 know what which meeting it was Chris and 2113 01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,040 that's when he said we had the 2114 01:27:03,339 --> 01:27:01,280 technology to take e.t home and then of 2115 01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:03,349 Gen Harsin was there and heard that I 2116 01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,530 remember yeah and then also he confined 2117 01:27:11,169 --> 01:27:08,000 to a friend of his who was that guy 2118 01:27:12,819 --> 01:27:11,179 Andrew or some whatever on his on his 2119 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:12,829 deathbed and what it you know whatever 2120 01:27:16,810 --> 01:27:14,810 and said that you know we have this 2121 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:16,820 technology but it'll take an act of God 2122 01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:19,610 to get it out into the public domain and 2123 01:27:22,899 --> 01:27:21,380 he and he didn't know whether that was 2124 01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:22,909 going to happen or not he said he you 2125 01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:27,500 know and even you know he even taped who 2126 01:27:39,370 --> 01:27:34,250 the head of NASA was what's his name 2127 01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:39,380 that came out they take a Chris you know 2128 01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:40,190 the guy's name 2129 01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,199 ostrich offs posture whatever Bobby 2130 01:27:52,990 --> 01:27:47,360 Inman taped Bobby Inman on a phone 2131 01:27:54,339 --> 01:27:53,000 conversation and he comes up with that 2132 01:27:57,459 --> 01:27:54,349 kind of look out with a grain of salt 2133 01:28:00,129 --> 01:27:57,469 but yeah that was an interesting aside 2134 01:28:02,319 --> 01:28:00,139 how put off has been has been quoted a 2135 01:28:04,419 --> 01:28:02,329 couple of times as saying some pretty 2136 01:28:05,919 --> 01:28:04,429 interesting things they try to do what 2137 01:28:10,359 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01:33:43,540 that's eight seven seven nine nine ber 2275 01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:46,510 ke why gift well this christmas give a 2276 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:51,580 big berkey water filter there's Jim 2277 01:33:57,330 --> 01:33:55,210 Mosley or a sausage smear and I'm here 2278 01:34:00,300 --> 01:33:57,340 to say a good word or two about the 2279 01:34:03,540 --> 01:34:00,310 power cast which I believe is the gold 2280 01:34:15,089 --> 01:34:03,550 standard or paranormal radio listen to 2281 01:34:19,959 --> 01:34:17,109 we're exploring all sorts of 2282 01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:19,969 ramifications about UFOs UFO secrecy 2283 01:34:25,330 --> 01:34:22,730 secret space programs we've barely even 2284 01:34:28,060 --> 01:34:25,340 gotten into Excel politics with Gina and 2285 01:34:30,510 --> 01:34:28,070 Chris on the power cast Chris who I pick 2286 01:34:33,729 --> 01:34:30,520 up on the direction here heed let's 2287 01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:33,739 let's kind of dovetail this quickly into 2288 01:34:39,820 --> 01:34:37,040 a conversation about the whole idea of 2289 01:34:41,530 --> 01:34:39,830 the concept of XO politics first of all 2290 01:34:44,260 --> 01:34:41,540 you know you're skeptical but 2291 01:34:47,950 --> 01:34:44,270 open-minded individual the very idea of 2292 01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:47,960 XO politics it's it's it's a hard one 2293 01:34:53,290 --> 01:34:49,489 for them to get their heads around 2294 01:34:56,620 --> 01:34:53,300 we don't have one shred of unequivocal 2295 01:34:58,689 --> 01:34:56,630 evidence that there are aliens visiting 2296 01:35:02,140 --> 01:34:58,699 this planet that is a part of the public 2297 01:35:04,270 --> 01:35:02,150 record so how do you come up with a 2298 01:35:05,979 --> 01:35:04,280 concept of EXO politics how would you 2299 01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:05,989 define it first of all and then and then 2300 01:35:11,410 --> 01:35:08,630 what why would this be an important 2301 01:35:13,570 --> 01:35:11,420 thing to be concerned with now well what 2302 01:35:16,089 --> 01:35:13,580 we we don't have a single shred or a 2303 01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:16,099 single smoking gun we have buku sure 2304 01:35:19,570 --> 01:35:18,080 shred just the way that I like to think 2305 01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:19,580 about it is that there's a meal at the 2306 01:35:25,530 --> 01:35:23,210 table and we're not at the table but 2307 01:35:29,339 --> 01:35:25,540 crumbs get knocked onto the floor and 2308 01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:29,349 any one of those crumbs is not going to 2309 01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,480 tell us what the meal at the table was 2310 01:35:35,589 --> 01:35:34,159 but if you pick up enough crumbs you 2311 01:35:38,979 --> 01:35:35,599 pick up a common piece of cheese you 2312 01:35:41,410 --> 01:35:38,989 pick up a come from a piece of sausage a 2313 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:41,420 little piece of sausage a little people 2314 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:45,170 you know it's a pizza yeah you know 2315 01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:47,690 whatever you know enough about what 2316 01:35:51,729 --> 01:35:49,790 you're doing and you're using 2317 01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:51,739 collaborative evidence and you realize 2318 01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:53,119 that they're also throwing things off 2319 01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:54,800 the table that is disinformation that 2320 01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:57,530 cement to confuse you you know pieces 2321 01:36:01,330 --> 01:35:59,360 that didn't really come from the table 2322 01:36:02,979 --> 01:36:01,340 you have to be a rich you know one of 2323 01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,989 the things I learned early on in this 2324 01:36:06,490 --> 01:36:04,639 field is I've got to think like an 2325 01:36:08,939 --> 01:36:06,500 intelligence operative or intelligence 2326 01:36:11,890 --> 01:36:08,949 analyst and you've got to thank 2327 01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:11,900 collaborated evidence and keep yourself 2328 01:36:17,260 --> 01:36:13,670 and going off of a cliff a lot of times 2329 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:17,270 if you stick with cases where somebody 2330 01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:19,010 gives a narrative at one individual 2331 01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:20,750 gives a narrative but parts of that 2332 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:23,840 narrative can be confirmed thus giving 2333 01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,770 validity to the 2334 01:36:28,660 --> 01:36:26,480 overall story of that individual that's 2335 01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:28,670 why I like the tall White's the Charles 2336 01:36:32,740 --> 01:36:30,250 Hall case involving is kinda white 2337 01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:32,750 extraterrestrials because I can find a 2338 01:36:35,890 --> 01:36:34,370 lot of collaborating evidence whereas 2339 01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:35,900 some of these other guys that go to the 2340 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:37,940 leaf collector circuit and whatever is 2341 01:36:41,230 --> 01:36:39,770 creating these false narratives they're 2342 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:41,240 not getting putting out any new 2343 01:36:46,150 --> 01:36:43,970 information and it's not being there's 2344 01:36:47,770 --> 01:36:46,160 no backing up of that information so 2345 01:36:49,450 --> 01:36:47,780 what they're doing is just trashing the 2346 01:36:51,070 --> 01:36:49,460 field and make an even more difficult 2347 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:51,080 for people like myself and other 2348 01:36:54,850 --> 01:36:53,210 investigators that really are into the 2349 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:54,860 truth to figure out what's going on so 2350 01:36:58,840 --> 01:36:56,810 you have all these shreds of evidence 2351 01:37:01,930 --> 01:36:58,850 and you've got to put them together in 2352 01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:01,940 the right way and kick out the parts 2353 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:04,130 that are disinformation and whatever and 2354 01:37:07,330 --> 01:37:06,050 still come up with some common overall 2355 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:07,340 picture what's going on and that's what 2356 01:37:11,050 --> 01:37:09,170 an intelligence operative it does is 2357 01:37:12,490 --> 01:37:11,060 they never know for sure that there's a 2358 01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:12,500 machine gun over there on the other side 2359 01:37:16,570 --> 01:37:15,020 of that hill but by golly they've got 2360 01:37:18,220 --> 01:37:16,580 enough information to know to be careful 2361 01:37:20,020 --> 01:37:18,230 when they go over that hill they that 2362 01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:20,030 the evidence doesn't strike them in the 2363 01:37:24,190 --> 01:37:21,770 chest once you get to thinking like an 2364 01:37:25,660 --> 01:37:24,200 intelligence analyst you know you start 2365 01:37:27,730 --> 01:37:25,670 to realize there's certain things 2366 01:37:29,740 --> 01:37:27,740 certain things you don't BS I mean 2367 01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,750 people can be s other people about the 2368 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:31,280 stock market and the stock market 2369 01:37:35,650 --> 01:37:33,610 straightens them out pretty fast well 2370 01:37:38,890 --> 01:37:35,660 before you go on could you do me a 2371 01:37:45,790 --> 01:37:38,900 really big favor could you work with 2372 01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:45,800 Alfred Weber on his spam filter because 2373 01:37:51,550 --> 01:37:48,050 I put this buyer beware article in my 2374 01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:51,560 prologue on my XO politics introduction 2375 01:37:55,870 --> 01:37:53,030 I call it buyer beware and I 2376 01:37:57,460 --> 01:37:55,880 specifically refer to him and he's 2377 01:37:59,560 --> 01:37:57,470 losing it he's going the same way that 2378 01:38:01,390 --> 01:37:59,570 Richard Boland did Richard Bolling used 2379 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:01,400 to pretty be a pretty same guy at one 2380 01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:02,930 time and he took a lot of hits 2381 01:38:06,700 --> 01:38:04,610 you know and he was actually on our 2382 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:06,710 operation right-to-know organization you 2383 01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:07,850 know we held demonstrations in 2384 01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:10,340 Washington DC way back in the early 90s 2385 01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:14,270 and he was pretty sane but he just went 2386 01:38:19,420 --> 01:38:17,330 off off edge and lost it and you see 2387 01:38:22,210 --> 01:38:19,430 this happening a lot amongst contactees 2388 01:38:24,460 --> 01:38:22,220 and I even among researchers and Alfred 2389 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:24,470 is just losing it and I'd give him a 2390 01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:26,690 hard time and in private and I've given 2391 01:38:29,770 --> 01:38:28,340 him a hard time in public but there's 2392 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:29,780 just no stopping him he just keeps 2393 01:38:33,550 --> 01:38:31,850 cranking it out and how does I don't 2394 01:38:35,710 --> 01:38:33,560 know how to stop it yeah you know I 2395 01:38:37,210 --> 01:38:35,720 can't dedicate myself to it I got too 2396 01:38:38,410 --> 01:38:37,220 many other you know things to do or 2397 01:38:40,090 --> 01:38:38,420 whatever but 2398 01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:40,100 buddy there needs to be some cops on the 2399 01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:42,050 beat and and every time he post 2400 01:38:46,209 --> 01:38:44,210 somewhere or he sucks in another sucker 2401 01:38:47,860 --> 01:38:46,219 or something whatever to tell that 2402 01:38:49,689 --> 01:38:47,870 person you know now wait a minute you 2403 01:38:51,820 --> 01:38:49,699 know what are you dealing with here and 2404 01:38:53,229 --> 01:38:51,830 whatever so well I think I think you're 2405 01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,239 talking about the article he put out a 2406 01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,280 couple of weeks ago from this and you 2407 01:39:02,700 --> 01:38:57,440 massage your character stating he was 2408 01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:02,710 trained to go to Mars by Edie dames and 2409 01:39:11,380 --> 01:39:08,030 Barack Obama was there its weekly world 2410 01:39:14,350 --> 01:39:11,390 news information you know and this guy 2411 01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:14,360 that Fowler whatever this guy's name is 2412 01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:17,030 you know I looked looked into what he 2413 01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:19,910 was is what he was talking about and you 2414 01:39:23,979 --> 01:39:21,170 know and I mentioned him in that buyer 2415 01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:23,989 beware article that he said here's this 2416 01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:26,980 is a scientific paper of great historic 2417 01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:29,480 importance I looked at the article and 2418 01:39:33,459 --> 01:39:31,310 I've been grew up with scientists and 2419 01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:33,469 they would laugh at that off that paper 2420 01:39:38,650 --> 01:39:35,840 of great scientific importance you know 2421 01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:38,660 it's absolutely ridiculous but Alfred 2422 01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:40,520 endeth and he's got two guys working 2423 01:39:43,630 --> 01:39:42,110 together and just coming up with this 2424 01:39:46,510 --> 01:39:43,640 stuff and then what they do is they mix 2425 01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:46,520 some real good real cases in there of 2426 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:49,130 you know honest people you know like 2427 01:39:53,020 --> 01:39:51,530 Steve Bassett and and other people in 2428 01:39:54,610 --> 01:39:53,030 the mix and everything so it discredits 2429 01:39:57,820 --> 01:39:54,620 everybody it's the same thing that the 2430 01:39:59,979 --> 01:39:57,830 Weekly World News he's considered the 2431 01:40:02,160 --> 01:39:59,989 father of Exopolitics I think he came up 2432 01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:02,170 with the term how do you reconcile 2433 01:40:08,380 --> 01:40:06,170 yourself as an XO of politics adherent 2434 01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:08,390 to someone that is gone off the deep end 2435 01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,550 does not have a bungee cord and is about 2436 01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:12,320 ready to hit the bottom I mean the guy's 2437 01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:15,199 a lawyer from Yale you would think that 2438 01:40:20,770 --> 01:40:16,820 he would have a little bit more common 2439 01:40:22,810 --> 01:40:20,780 sense and just like you mentioned the 2440 01:40:27,250 --> 01:40:22,820 idea of a spam filter you think that it 2441 01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,260 it would be a little bit more fine you 2442 01:40:32,890 --> 01:40:30,080 know I think that you know it's 2443 01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:32,900 completely lost any semblance of a spam 2444 01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:35,449 filter and that's giving him credit that 2445 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:37,040 there's not something else going on 2446 01:40:40,330 --> 01:40:38,810 beneath it is not some kind of a 2447 01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:40,340 deliberate action and I don't think it's 2448 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,100 a deliberate action or well on his part 2449 01:40:48,490 --> 01:40:45,760 but I'm not so sure about Andrew and 2450 01:40:51,220 --> 01:40:48,500 this is a perfect way to clot you know 2451 01:40:52,150 --> 01:40:51,230 if you want to attack an autocratic 2452 01:40:54,490 --> 01:40:52,160 organization 2453 01:40:58,030 --> 01:40:54,500 like MUFON you just infiltrate the the 2454 01:41:01,090 --> 01:40:58,040 top of the pyramid but if you want to 2455 01:41:02,620 --> 01:41:01,100 attack a network you've got the only way 2456 01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,630 you can really attack a network and it's 2457 01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:04,880 got so many different heads is that you 2458 01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:08,150 got to flood the system with trash of 2459 01:41:13,420 --> 01:41:11,330 garbage and if you flood the networks 2460 01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,430 with enough garbage you can take down a 2461 01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,480 network so I don't know whether it's an 2462 01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,560 honest or whether there's something more 2463 01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,480 to it but you know if it's if it looks 2464 01:41:23,410 --> 01:41:21,920 like a duck and it quacks like a duck 2465 01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:23,420 and I have to start treating it as a 2466 01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:25,790 duck I don't know how to stop it no you 2467 01:41:29,380 --> 01:41:27,050 know I couldn't you can't stop the 2468 01:41:31,540 --> 01:41:29,390 Weekly World News you know every single 2469 01:41:33,790 --> 01:41:31,550 supermarket checkout counter comes up 2470 01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:33,800 with these invented atrocious alien 2471 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:35,510 stories and whatever that turns every 2472 01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:37,850 scientist anybody off it walks by them 2473 01:41:41,890 --> 01:41:39,950 how do you stop that sort of thing you 2474 01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,900 know well if it looks like a duck quacks 2475 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:42,800 like a duck 2476 01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:46,010 break out the Buckshot and somebody 2477 01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,260 needs somebody needs to be a cop on the 2478 01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:50,000 beat the deal that I've done what I can 2479 01:41:53,950 --> 01:41:52,070 you know I come out I got him you know I 2480 01:41:55,630 --> 01:41:53,960 got him really upset and you know and 2481 01:41:57,940 --> 01:41:55,640 told him off in private and I got really 2482 01:42:00,130 --> 01:41:57,950 upset in public and then he went over to 2483 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:00,140 Michael fallows site and whatever and 2484 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:02,090 got into it them over there and he got 2485 01:42:06,850 --> 01:42:04,850 kicked off kicked off of their side you 2486 01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:06,860 know ever but then he just goes back and 2487 01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:09,380 goes on and on and on like the Energizer 2488 01:42:13,570 --> 01:42:11,810 Bunny there's I got no see no way to 2489 01:42:15,850 --> 01:42:13,580 stop him you know other than just tried 2490 01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:15,860 to stick with the keep focused on the 2491 01:42:20,890 --> 01:42:17,870 truth is I see it and the links to 2492 01:42:22,570 --> 01:42:20,900 credible information and help try to 2493 01:42:25,450 --> 01:42:22,580 pick up the pieces of people that get 2494 01:42:27,790 --> 01:42:25,460 sucked up into this and get harmed by 2495 01:42:30,850 --> 01:42:27,800 this you know but you know what can you 2496 01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:30,860 do I mean you know it you know that's a 2497 01:42:35,290 --> 01:42:32,210 problem with the u.s. one of the 2498 01:42:39,100 --> 01:42:35,300 problems that are so evident and the UFO 2499 01:42:42,700 --> 01:42:39,110 field is is that it's it's difficult to 2500 01:42:46,270 --> 01:42:42,710 sort the BS from the real material and 2501 01:42:48,850 --> 01:42:46,280 in some fields like stock market or like 2502 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:48,860 controlled burning you learn really 2503 01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:51,770 quick you know you don't BS the fire you 2504 01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:53,510 start a fire in the woods and whatever 2505 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:55,130 and it's gonna you don't know what 2506 01:42:58,210 --> 01:42:56,690 you're doing it gets out of control and 2507 01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:58,220 burns up and can cost you thousands of 2508 01:43:01,090 --> 01:42:59,840 dollars I'll tell you what about the 2509 01:43:03,370 --> 01:43:01,100 stock market when you talk about the 2510 01:43:05,110 --> 01:43:03,380 stock market I think it's pretty well 2511 01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:05,120 agreed there's a lot of nonsense going 2512 01:43:07,540 --> 01:43:05,690 on there 2513 01:43:09,610 --> 01:43:07,550 a lot of stuff that's presented that has 2514 01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,620 no relation to fact and that might be 2515 01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:11,360 one of the reasons why it's so 2516 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:13,730 unpredictable and so many things will 2517 01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:15,650 spook the stock market even though of 2518 01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:18,710 course the events aren't true you know 2519 01:43:22,630 --> 01:43:20,750 consecutively making money on the stock 2520 01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:22,640 market over time they make some losses 2521 01:43:27,070 --> 01:43:24,530 in whatever but they know the system 2522 01:43:28,990 --> 01:43:27,080 they understand the parameters the whole 2523 01:43:30,910 --> 01:43:29,000 situation and they're good at it and 2524 01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:30,920 they can make money off of it where is 2525 01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:32,270 somebody that comes along and starts 2526 01:43:35,170 --> 01:43:34,010 being essence said oh I'm you know I can 2527 01:43:36,610 --> 01:43:35,180 make a bunch of money off the stock 2528 01:43:38,410 --> 01:43:36,620 market or maybe I've just made a million 2529 01:43:40,150 --> 01:43:38,420 dollars off the stock market you know 2530 01:43:41,650 --> 01:43:40,160 and I only been in the to it a year and 2531 01:43:42,939 --> 01:43:41,660 so anybody can do this the next thing 2532 01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,949 you know that person has lost everything 2533 01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:44,239 and they're in debt buy a hundred 2534 01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:45,830 thousand or a million dollars you know 2535 01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:47,930 or they stop right there and they write 2536 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:49,850 the book how you can earn something in 2537 01:43:54,220 --> 01:43:52,010 the stock market by following my 23 2538 01:43:56,530 --> 01:43:54,230 different stairs and they don't make 2539 01:43:59,050 --> 01:43:56,540 lectures they do the lectures they sell 2540 01:44:00,939 --> 01:43:59,060 the books and I suppose at that point 2541 01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,949 they're making the money from the books 2542 01:44:04,420 --> 01:44:02,239 they're making the money from the 2543 01:44:06,220 --> 01:44:04,430 lectures but they aren't necessarily 2544 01:44:07,930 --> 01:44:06,230 making the money from the stock market 2545 01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:07,940 they were smart enough to get out a long 2546 01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:08,719 time ago 2547 01:44:12,250 --> 01:44:10,489 yeah and they work as stockbrokers and 2548 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:12,260 get people you keep bringing people's 2549 01:44:16,750 --> 01:44:14,810 money in and suckering people in to feed 2550 01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:16,760 people like you know Warren Buffett and 2551 01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,230 whatever they know how the stock market 2552 01:44:23,950 --> 01:44:20,480 operate I'll tell you what I suggest 2553 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:23,960 people rent this movie margin call nuff 2554 01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:24,530 said 2555 01:44:33,060 --> 01:44:26,719 ed chimeric joins us with Jean and Chris 2556 01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:36,640 the GC and radio network providing the 2557 01:44:43,959 --> 01:44:39,710 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 2558 01:44:45,550 --> 01:44:43,969 and great talk radio starts here hi this 2559 01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:45,560 is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen 2560 01:44:48,250 --> 01:44:47,750 to GCN programs on the goal I have great 2561 01:44:50,140 --> 01:44:48,260 news 2562 01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,150 g ZN s created a droid and iphone 2563 01:44:54,250 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to a private 2577 01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:17,750 bank having a led back at interest 2578 01:45:20,979 --> 01:45:19,310 forcing taxes to surfaced at this 2579 01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:20,989 capitalism was jefferson correct when 2580 01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:22,310 stating a central bank issuing the 2581 01:45:24,820 --> 01:45:23,810 public currency is a greater menace to 2582 01:45:26,050 --> 01:45:24,830 the liberties of the people than a 2583 01:45:27,370 --> 01:45:26,060 standing army today understand I'm 2584 01:45:29,020 --> 01:45:27,380 placing a free silver dollar in a book 2585 01:45:32,260 --> 01:45:29,030 that explains our monetary system call 2586 01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:32,270 for your copy 806 86 to 237 it's time to 2587 01:45:38,190 --> 01:45:35,090 understand the system call 866 to 237 2588 01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:38,200 that's 800 686 to 237 2589 01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:48,910 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2590 01:46:01,450 --> 01:45:53,800 standard of paranormal radio and now 2591 01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:01,460 here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and 2592 01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:03,710 Chris at Combe rec here to talk about 2593 01:46:10,420 --> 01:46:07,520 the paranormal UFOs and we're focusing a 2594 01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:10,430 lot on UFO secrecy secret projects and 2595 01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:13,489 everything but maybe in this final four 2596 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:15,770 segments we should try to bring it all 2597 01:46:22,930 --> 01:46:19,610 together and focus on the exo politics 2598 01:46:26,620 --> 01:46:22,940 movement now when I hear EXO politics I 2599 01:46:28,990 --> 01:46:26,630 say oh okay we're going to set up a 2600 01:46:31,930 --> 01:46:29,000 diplomatic core to communicate with et 2601 01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:31,940 is that what it means okay just getting 2602 01:46:36,850 --> 01:46:34,880 back to Alfred Alfred may have come up 2603 01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:36,860 with a name we don't know for sure I 2604 01:46:40,650 --> 01:46:38,510 talked to one person that's well-known 2605 01:46:43,570 --> 01:46:40,660 who says that they had heard it before 2606 01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,580 Alfred came out into public about it so 2607 01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:45,440 that's not set in concrete 2608 01:46:51,070 --> 01:46:48,560 but that said Alfred was critical in 2609 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:51,080 bringing bringing the and you he has to 2610 01:46:56,140 --> 01:46:53,690 be given credit for you know writing an 2611 01:46:58,420 --> 01:46:56,150 EXO politics book and Corning a word 2612 01:47:01,450 --> 01:46:58,430 that was much better for us in the word 2613 01:47:03,670 --> 01:47:01,460 UFO because a UFO was you know first 2614 01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,680 there was flying saucers but then the 2615 01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,360 Air Force kind of integrated that into 2616 01:47:10,150 --> 01:47:07,760 unidentified flying objects when you 2617 01:47:12,459 --> 01:47:10,160 know if you know what we know are aware 2618 01:47:14,350 --> 01:47:12,469 of you realize they already knew but 2619 01:47:16,150 --> 01:47:14,360 they're using UFOs to kind of integrate 2620 01:47:17,890 --> 01:47:16,160 the word you know you get into fire war 2621 01:47:20,140 --> 01:47:17,900 you know you see in psychological 2622 01:47:22,209 --> 01:47:20,150 warfare and where words become weapons 2623 01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:22,219 like a conspiracy theorist and their 2624 01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,560 conspiracy investigators but when you 2625 01:47:28,990 --> 01:47:26,719 call a good conspiracy investigator a 2626 01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:29,000 conspiracy theorist you're denigrating 2627 01:47:33,130 --> 01:47:31,130 that individual and you're using the 2628 01:47:34,540 --> 01:47:33,140 word as a weapon and this is something 2629 01:47:37,209 --> 01:47:34,550 we you know we see very much in our 2630 01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,219 field but Alfred Webre did get help get 2631 01:47:41,050 --> 01:47:39,440 the started he was one of the founders 2632 01:47:43,630 --> 01:47:41,060 so there were there were several other 2633 01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,640 set of founders at the time I was 2634 01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:45,440 involved in it when back in the 80s when 2635 01:47:48,670 --> 01:47:47,090 I when I first realized that we were 2636 01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:48,680 dealing with a number of different types 2637 01:47:54,220 --> 01:47:51,440 of extraterrestrial rate races and from 2638 01:47:55,900 --> 01:47:54,230 my experiences in ecology it wasn't hard 2639 01:47:58,120 --> 01:47:55,910 for me to grasp but these different 2640 01:48:00,760 --> 01:47:58,130 races had to have relationships 2641 01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,770 between each other and between us and so 2642 01:48:05,290 --> 01:48:03,440 I was thinking EXO politics way back in 2643 01:48:06,970 --> 01:48:05,300 80s but I really didn't have a word for 2644 01:48:09,310 --> 01:48:06,980 it and other people were doing the same 2645 01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,320 thing he coined the word and he helped 2646 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:10,880 give a boost to the field and he should 2647 01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:13,130 get credit for that then what happens is 2648 01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:16,130 then and he had a spam filter to some 2649 01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:19,250 degree back then but it has deteriorated 2650 01:48:24,730 --> 01:48:22,490 ever since then and why this means 2651 01:48:27,220 --> 01:48:24,740 nothing to a lot of our listeners about 2652 01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:27,230 Alfred Webber and all that stuff yeah so 2653 01:48:32,650 --> 01:48:30,410 politics what is the reasoning behind 2654 01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:32,660 the term in the movement okay we just 2655 01:48:38,140 --> 01:48:35,330 tried to establish a basis for EXO 2656 01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,150 politics and that there are possibly 2657 01:48:41,950 --> 01:48:39,920 extraterrestrial spacecraft that have 2658 01:48:44,170 --> 01:48:41,960 crashed there was possibly occupants on 2659 01:48:46,330 --> 01:48:44,180 those craft that if you research it 2660 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:46,340 enough you'll see the occupants really 2661 01:48:50,620 --> 01:48:48,650 vary from different types of occupants 2662 01:48:52,630 --> 01:48:50,630 you can go back to some of the early 2663 01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:52,640 cases in the 50s you know there's a lot 2664 01:48:56,170 --> 01:48:54,410 of them or humanoid move on did a study 2665 01:48:58,570 --> 01:48:56,180 I think where they said like one third 2666 01:49:01,330 --> 01:48:58,580 were like human another third was like 2667 01:49:04,180 --> 01:49:01,340 humanoid and another third was like who 2668 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:04,190 knows what whatever so if that as a 2669 01:49:08,620 --> 01:49:06,410 basis you start to begin to think 2670 01:49:10,570 --> 01:49:08,630 ecology you know you start to thank me 2671 01:49:12,730 --> 01:49:10,580 thank thinking of relationships and so 2672 01:49:14,350 --> 01:49:12,740 basically extra politics is really the 2673 01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:14,360 same thing is the ecology of the 2674 01:49:19,420 --> 01:49:16,730 universe and you've got the same kind of 2675 01:49:22,420 --> 01:49:19,430 problem is that my dad had trying to get 2676 01:49:24,670 --> 01:49:22,430 the tax honest to understand ecology 2677 01:49:26,140 --> 01:49:24,680 that how can you start talking about 2678 01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:26,150 things that relationships that don't 2679 01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,890 exist and you haven't even collected all 2680 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:30,080 the animals that are involved in these 2681 01:49:34,090 --> 01:49:32,330 relationships and whatever so it's very 2682 01:49:35,380 --> 01:49:34,100 similar to what you know I'm going 2683 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:35,390 through and I've been well prepared for 2684 01:49:40,090 --> 01:49:36,890 if I grow up in that kind of environment 2685 01:49:43,210 --> 01:49:40,100 so once you make an assumption you know 2686 01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:43,220 for speculation purposes or whatever if 2687 01:49:46,170 --> 01:49:45,230 you're not that well-informed that there 2688 01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:46,180 are many different types of 2689 01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,650 extraterrestrials there in relationship 2690 01:49:51,070 --> 01:49:49,760 with each other or they're in 2691 01:49:53,050 --> 01:49:51,080 relationship though we're making lots of 2692 01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:53,060 assumptions here okay let's let's go 2693 01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:54,980 ABCD and let's see where we go with it 2694 01:50:00,130 --> 01:49:58,460 okay so we make assumptions about ET and 2695 01:50:02,380 --> 01:50:00,140 that's probably not a very difficult 2696 01:50:04,210 --> 01:50:02,390 assumption to make even more traditional 2697 01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:04,220 science will accept the fact that there 2698 01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:06,590 are likely hundreds thousands millions 2699 01:50:09,370 --> 01:50:08,840 of inhabited planets many of whom may 2700 01:50:12,610 --> 01:50:09,380 have 2701 01:50:15,070 --> 01:50:12,620 advanced intelligent species okay then 2702 01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:15,080 the second assumption which is maybe a 2703 01:50:19,660 --> 01:50:18,050 greater stretch is a relationship to one 2704 01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,670 another so do we assume they have a 2705 01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:21,920 federation or something okay so you get 2706 01:50:25,390 --> 01:50:23,690 into relationship and this is where also 2707 01:50:27,130 --> 01:50:25,400 you've got to be careful like about 2708 01:50:29,470 --> 01:50:27,140 going out on a limb or going over the 2709 01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:29,480 cliff is is that because of so much 2710 01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:31,850 disinformation you really need to stick 2711 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:34,490 with cases that involve extraterrestrial 2712 01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:37,370 contact that are by more than one person 2713 01:50:41,710 --> 01:50:39,230 or that other people can substantiate 2714 01:50:44,260 --> 01:50:41,720 parts of that person that is the biggest 2715 01:50:46,060 --> 01:50:44,270 problem of all I don't think and I'll 2716 01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:46,070 challenge you here that we've ever 2717 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:49,520 substantiated a claim of et contact we 2718 01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,530 have had reports of contact sometimes 2719 01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:53,600 from credible people we have UFO 2720 01:50:58,990 --> 01:50:56,690 abductions but for the most part we have 2721 01:51:01,420 --> 01:50:59,000 not substantiated anything about meeting 2722 01:51:03,130 --> 01:51:01,430 ET not at all we do not know what those 2723 01:51:06,460 --> 01:51:03,140 experiences are if they are physical 2724 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:06,470 experiences with ET if there's some sort 2725 01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:09,290 of mental process involved there we 2726 01:51:13,660 --> 01:51:11,510 don't know okay this is what I'm making 2727 01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,670 an argument in this book because it's 2728 01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:15,440 got to be made with the links and 2729 01:51:20,350 --> 01:51:18,290 evidence for each part of this argument 2730 01:51:22,180 --> 01:51:20,360 okay so that's what I'm trying to do and 2731 01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,190 to rewrite at this book that I've got up 2732 01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:24,560 on my blog I've got five chapters on 2733 01:51:28,450 --> 01:51:26,570 okay we understand that will certainly 2734 01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,460 tell our listeners where to find it but 2735 01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:30,080 the question I'm gonna raise again is 2736 01:51:35,620 --> 01:51:33,920 alright it's alright if you believe that 2737 01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:35,630 we're in contact with ET or those 2738 01:51:40,570 --> 01:51:38,230 contacts have occurred but even with 2739 01:51:42,670 --> 01:51:40,580 abductions we're pretty strange things 2740 01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:42,680 are happening and those experiences are 2741 01:51:49,210 --> 01:51:46,370 revealed by remembrances by hypnotic 2742 01:51:52,210 --> 01:51:49,220 regression etc etc can you prove a 2743 01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:52,220 single case of alien contact has ever 2744 01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:54,530 occurred well not by the standards of 2745 01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:56,810 proof that you're asking it and you are 2746 01:52:00,370 --> 01:51:58,370 going to probably get that to the bullet 2747 01:52:01,930 --> 01:52:00,380 that you in the chest you know so you've 2748 01:52:03,550 --> 01:52:01,940 got to think like an intelligence 2749 01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:03,560 operative if you know that that you're 2750 01:52:07,450 --> 01:52:05,930 dealing with an intelligence that's more 2751 01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:07,460 advanced than you are to begin with 2752 01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:09,080 you're dealing with other people that 2753 01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:10,490 are involved in a cover-up that are 2754 01:52:14,290 --> 01:52:12,170 intelligent and have a lot of resources 2755 01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:14,300 and whatever so you're not going to get 2756 01:52:17,710 --> 01:52:15,920 the kind of evidence you want or there 2757 01:52:19,090 --> 01:52:17,720 wouldn't be any cover of it then I would 2758 01:52:21,220 --> 01:52:19,100 have figured this out already it's the 2759 01:52:22,630 --> 01:52:21,230 best somebody got a body and got the 2760 01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:22,640 bodies out and then 2761 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:24,440 gotten to the journalists and everybody 2762 01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:26,090 saw him it's all that really even 2763 01:52:31,630 --> 01:52:28,130 arguing it wasn't the ETS exist or 2764 01:52:33,700 --> 01:52:31,640 whatever let alone Exopolitics so we've 2765 01:52:35,770 --> 01:52:33,710 got to find a fly by the seat of our 2766 01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,780 pants with good intelligence you know 2767 01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:38,000 and gather good intelligence so that we 2768 01:52:43,570 --> 01:52:40,610 are prepared for the time when the facts 2769 01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:43,580 do come out and then I assume them that 2770 01:52:47,290 --> 01:52:45,500 we know what those facts are going to be 2771 01:52:49,900 --> 01:52:47,300 well why do you have intelligence 2772 01:52:51,790 --> 01:52:49,910 operatives and agencies involved in and 2773 01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:51,800 wars sure but at that point in time 2774 01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:53,930 there are certain things you know you're 2775 01:52:58,480 --> 01:52:56,210 gonna get you know there's another party 2776 01:52:59,800 --> 01:52:58,490 to that war or more than one party you 2777 01:53:01,150 --> 01:52:59,810 know if you sent the intelligence 2778 01:53:02,530 --> 01:53:01,160 operatives out they're going to get 2779 01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:02,540 information you may not know what that 2780 01:53:06,850 --> 01:53:04,730 information is but you know it exists 2781 01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:06,860 you can certainly speculate that we have 2782 01:53:13,330 --> 01:53:10,370 UFOs that they appear to be credible 2783 01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:13,340 instances of some sort of contact with 2784 01:53:17,410 --> 01:53:15,890 an unknown race we can speculate what 2785 01:53:19,570 --> 01:53:17,420 that race is but when someone says 2786 01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:19,580 they've contacted et you still have to 2787 01:53:24,670 --> 01:53:22,610 get back to traditional avenues of proof 2788 01:53:26,230 --> 01:53:24,680 I mean you can say well the intelligence 2789 01:53:27,610 --> 01:53:26,240 community is out there they're going to 2790 01:53:29,530 --> 01:53:27,620 block the proof but then we can be 2791 01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:29,540 talking to ourselves well that's where 2792 01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:31,520 collaborative evidence comes in you know 2793 01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:33,590 you just can't go out on a limb on any 2794 01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,330 one individual you got to take a lot of 2795 01:53:39,820 --> 01:53:37,520 individuals and then a lot and even of 2796 01:53:41,980 --> 01:53:39,830 those individuals you really want to be 2797 01:53:44,230 --> 01:53:41,990 you know have collaborating evidence 2798 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:44,240 documents other individuals that 2799 01:53:48,610 --> 01:53:46,250 collaborate parts of the story and 2800 01:53:51,010 --> 01:53:48,620 whatever before you really get down you 2801 01:53:53,050 --> 01:53:51,020 know on feel like your speculation has a 2802 01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:53,060 solid foundation to it and that's the 2803 01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:55,490 problem that we have on internet and in 2804 01:53:58,690 --> 01:53:57,290 the UFO field in general we have a plot 2805 01:54:00,640 --> 01:53:58,700 of people making a lot of speculation 2806 01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:00,650 and they're way out on the limb from 2807 01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:02,000 what the facts are and they get 2808 01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:03,650 completely out of touch with reality and 2809 01:54:07,570 --> 01:54:05,810 they actually lose it and can end up in 2810 01:54:10,030 --> 01:54:07,580 a mental hospital or whatever what you 2811 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:10,040 have to do is this you have just like 2812 01:54:15,010 --> 01:54:11,930 Hitler knew that Great Britain was his 2813 01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:15,020 enemy but he didn't know where where 2814 01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:16,880 they were going to invade you know on 2815 01:54:21,790 --> 01:54:19,730 the coast of France and the British were 2816 01:54:23,860 --> 01:54:21,800 able to deceive him into thinking that 2817 01:54:26,530 --> 01:54:23,870 you know that it was going to be way 2818 01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:26,540 north and or Normandy area up there and 2819 01:54:31,570 --> 01:54:29,210 he even believed that for two days after 2820 01:54:34,180 --> 01:54:31,580 they were already well established on 2821 01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:34,190 their bases in the south of France so 2822 01:54:39,700 --> 01:54:35,210 who 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someone's gonna ask you for evidence now 2948 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:34,710 how do you substantiate anything if the 2949 02:00:39,229 --> 02:00:36,570 government is going to stop you so what 2950 02:00:41,719 --> 02:00:39,239 I'm doing is you know trying to make the 2951 02:00:43,819 --> 02:00:41,729 argument in this writing and with all 2952 02:00:47,239 --> 02:00:43,829 the links to the circumstantial evidence 2953 02:00:49,549 --> 02:00:47,249 the witness testimony and some DNA DNA 2954 02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:49,559 evidence and other things or whatever 2955 02:00:54,919 --> 02:00:51,690 some physical evidence what we have to 2956 02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:54,929 do is kind of the situation as Hitler's 2957 02:00:58,279 --> 02:00:56,639 Germany was doing with the British we 2958 02:01:00,140 --> 02:00:58,289 have to sort it out and get it right 2959 02:01:02,209 --> 02:01:00,150 because otherwise we could look we could 2960 02:01:04,219 --> 02:01:02,219 lose be in the same situation as Hitler 2961 02:01:07,129 --> 02:01:04,229 losing the war we could lose you know 2962 02:01:08,660 --> 02:01:07,139 you know our own future involved in all 2963 02:01:10,279 --> 02:01:08,670 this and less we can wrap our mind 2964 02:01:12,500 --> 02:01:10,289 around it so we have to fly by the seat 2965 02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:12,510 of our pants and keep double checking 2966 02:01:17,149 --> 02:01:14,729 and checking ourselves to make sure we 2967 02:01:18,890 --> 02:01:17,159 don't get too far away from the evidence 2968 02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:18,900 and that and realizing that that 2969 02:01:23,989 --> 02:01:21,210 evidence can be manipulated and changed 2970 02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:23,999 in whatever but that said once we've 2971 02:01:27,410 --> 02:01:25,530 established that there may be 2972 02:01:28,969 --> 02:01:27,420 extraterrestrial life there may be 2973 02:01:30,890 --> 02:01:28,979 different types of extraterrestrial life 2974 02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:30,900 they may have evolved on other planets 2975 02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:32,760 and a lot of different ways they 2976 02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:34,650 probably evolved as a top predator on 2977 02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:36,210 the planet even some of the city's 2978 02:01:39,799 --> 02:01:38,070 scientists are talking to you know about 2979 02:01:41,359 --> 02:01:39,809 that that you know probably the predator 2980 02:01:43,219 --> 02:01:41,369 would be the one that evolved you know 2981 02:01:45,319 --> 02:01:43,229 first off the planet and so we're not 2982 02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:45,329 we're not just dealing with good ETS or 2983 02:01:50,750 --> 02:01:47,599 bad ETS or whatever we're dealing with 2984 02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:50,760 other intelligent beings much like 2985 02:01:54,739 --> 02:01:52,650 ourselves it probably evolved all of our 2986 02:01:56,959 --> 02:01:54,749 prep their planet is top predator and 2987 02:01:58,759 --> 02:01:56,969 that we may actually have we might not 2988 02:02:01,580 --> 02:01:58,769 be the top predator on this planet and 2989 02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:01,590 not realize it and that we may be being 2990 02:02:06,410 --> 02:02:04,110 manipulated beyond our state of 2991 02:02:08,959 --> 02:02:06,420 awareness by other extraterrestrial 2992 02:02:10,339 --> 02:02:08,969 races at the same time they may be we 2993 02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:10,349 may be in the middle of a mental 2994 02:02:15,020 --> 02:02:12,210 battlefield in which other races are 2995 02:02:17,220 --> 02:02:15,030 trying to help us and would like to be 2996 02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:17,230 allied you know with us 2997 02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:19,360 a lot of maybes here you know the 2998 02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:22,030 ultimate truth is going to be what the 2999 02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:24,880 history is going to tell the story as to 3000 02:02:28,830 --> 02:02:27,010 what was real and what wasn't real but 3001 02:02:30,870 --> 02:02:28,840 I'm saying a lot of is at stake here and 3002 02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:30,880 we need to try to get it just try to 3003 02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:33,610 wrap around minds around it because if 3004 02:02:38,490 --> 02:02:36,190 we don't it's the same way with as with 3005 02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:38,500 these bankers you know they're out to 3006 02:02:42,660 --> 02:02:40,960 dominate the world if we don't get it 3007 02:02:44,250 --> 02:02:42,670 right and you know when the trap is 3008 02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:44,260 sprung it's going to be too late and we 3009 02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:46,210 won't be able to get out of the trap and 3010 02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:48,130 the traps being sprung you know some 3011 02:02:51,540 --> 02:02:49,360 people are getting their money their 3012 02:02:53,970 --> 02:02:51,550 minds around that and people are losing 3013 02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:53,980 their jobs and the bankers are being 3014 02:02:57,420 --> 02:02:56,170 bailed out and everything else it's 3015 02:02:59,220 --> 02:02:57,430 really important for us to get it right 3016 02:03:00,570 --> 02:02:59,230 just like it had been for Hitler to get 3017 02:03:02,850 --> 02:03:00,580 it right about the British where they 3018 02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:02,860 were going to land at Normandy so we've 3019 02:03:08,370 --> 02:03:06,310 got to deal with ambiguity here and fly 3020 02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:08,380 by the seat of our pants and tried to 3021 02:03:12,930 --> 02:03:10,930 wrap our minds around it to get to a 3022 02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,940 point where we can begin to get the 3023 02:03:17,340 --> 02:03:15,040 solid hard evidence when I'm trying to 3024 02:03:19,380 --> 02:03:17,350 you know point out here as I write is 3025 02:03:21,210 --> 02:03:19,390 you know giving you know I've got my 3026 02:03:22,260 --> 02:03:21,220 significant I put all these quotes we 3027 02:03:24,030 --> 02:03:22,270 talked about the beginning of the 3028 02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:24,040 program up you know snooping it closed 3029 02:03:28,260 --> 02:03:26,530 I've got Harry Truman saying here I can 3030 02:03:30,150 --> 02:03:28,270 assure you that flying saucers given 3031 02:03:32,610 --> 02:03:30,160 things they exist are not constructed by 3032 02:03:35,850 --> 02:03:32,620 any power on earth president harry s 3033 02:03:37,770 --> 02:03:35,860 truman 1950 the next war will be an 3034 02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:37,780 interplanetary war the nations must 3035 02:03:41,190 --> 02:03:39,610 someday make a common front against 3036 02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:41,200 attacked my people from other planets 3037 02:03:47,220 --> 02:03:44,650 General Douglas MacArthur 1955 and the 3038 02:03:49,110 --> 02:03:47,230 old soldiers never die speech you've got 3039 02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:49,120 to take all these little pieces you know 3040 02:03:52,740 --> 02:03:50,770 and put it you know and put them 3041 02:03:54,630 --> 02:03:52,750 together behind the scenes high-ranking 3042 02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:54,640 Air Force officers are soberly concerned 3043 02:03:58,920 --> 02:03:57,010 about UFOs but through official secrecy 3044 02:04:00,930 --> 02:03:58,930 in ridicule many citizens are led to 3045 02:04:03,390 --> 02:04:00,940 believe that unknown flying objects are 3046 02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:03,400 nonsense and though Roscoe Henry Hill 3047 02:04:07,740 --> 02:04:06,070 and cars okay yes we know about the 3048 02:04:09,810 --> 02:04:07,750 stages doesn't help us prove anything we 3049 02:04:12,060 --> 02:04:09,820 just know that I'm saying there's a 3050 02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:12,070 basis for it but if it's not the 3051 02:04:15,780 --> 02:04:14,350 definitive basis that you want and if 3052 02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:15,790 you if you expect to get a definitive 3053 02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:17,890 basis it's not going to happen until the 3054 02:04:21,540 --> 02:04:19,570 bullets hit you in the chest is what I'm 3055 02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:21,550 saying it's going to be too late to get 3056 02:04:24,930 --> 02:04:23,470 it right then and it's important for 3057 02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:24,940 people to get it right now 3058 02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:27,010 and wrap their minds around it to 3059 02:04:31,110 --> 02:04:29,230 preempt what's coming down the pike for 3060 02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:31,120 all of us but it's the difficult thing 3061 02:04:36,630 --> 02:04:33,610 because it's so big it's so fantastic 3062 02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:36,640 it's a most impossible for a lot of 3063 02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:38,530 people to sort out what it is and so 3064 02:04:42,900 --> 02:04:40,480 what people like myself are trying to do 3065 02:04:44,820 --> 02:04:42,910 is trying to sort it out and from our 3066 02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:44,830 years of experience in the field and 3067 02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:47,170 make people aware that there are a lot 3068 02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:49,570 of frauds there are a lot of hoaxsters 3069 02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:51,040 involved they're creating false 3070 02:04:54,330 --> 02:04:52,570 narratives the government's creating 3071 02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:54,340 false narratives to run against the 3072 02:04:57,960 --> 02:04:56,560 public propaganda operations you know 3073 02:05:00,420 --> 02:04:57,970 against the public and this has been 3074 02:05:03,150 --> 02:05:00,430 going on you know since the 1940s and 3075 02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:03,160 whatever but we can begin to get an idea 3076 02:05:07,380 --> 02:05:05,190 but it's not going to be unambiguous 3077 02:05:09,180 --> 02:05:07,390 it's going to be by the seat of our 3078 02:05:12,150 --> 02:05:09,190 pants and we may have to adapt our 3079 02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:12,160 thinking as more facts you know become 3080 02:05:17,250 --> 02:05:14,470 involved but we need a model we need 3081 02:05:19,950 --> 02:05:17,260 some kind of a road map that has some 3082 02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:19,960 degree of accuracy in order to predict 3083 02:05:24,150 --> 02:05:21,850 what the situation is and what our 3084 02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:24,160 future is going to be and what I'm 3085 02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,410 saying is is it's really important for 3086 02:05:31,590 --> 02:05:28,960 the people to get this right because by 3087 02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:31,600 the time that we get the solid evidence 3088 02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:33,280 and the bullets hit us in the chest it's 3089 02:05:37,590 --> 02:05:34,960 going to be too late that we've got to 3090 02:05:40,350 --> 02:05:37,600 try to do this but the evidence is 3091 02:05:41,940 --> 02:05:40,360 unsubstantiated sometimes as it is to 3092 02:05:43,860 --> 02:05:41,950 understand the big picture and 3093 02:05:46,620 --> 02:05:43,870 understand the road map and that that 3094 02:05:48,300 --> 02:05:46,630 can guide our actions in a positive 3095 02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:48,310 manner in a constructive manner for 3096 02:05:52,710 --> 02:05:50,170 ourselves and not be used against us 3097 02:05:54,660 --> 02:05:52,720 Chris we had a few days to ask questions 3098 02:05:57,210 --> 02:05:54,670 from our listeners in our forums and 3099 02:05:59,070 --> 02:05:57,220 maybe as we have now gotten deep into 3100 02:06:00,960 --> 02:05:59,080 Exopolitics Chris could you see if we 3101 02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:00,970 have any questions that our listeners 3102 02:06:05,220 --> 02:06:02,770 are curious about yeah and this and this 3103 02:06:07,230 --> 02:06:05,230 leads me to another area that I wanted 3104 02:06:08,700 --> 02:06:07,240 to ask at about which is some of the 3105 02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:08,710 inroads that he's made within the 3106 02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:10,780 intelligence community this comes from 3107 02:06:15,300 --> 02:06:12,970 snidely whiplash but he's been here 3108 02:06:17,610 --> 02:06:15,310 since last May on the forums forum dr. 3109 02:06:18,990 --> 02:06:17,620 Peric ascom and how well have you been 3110 02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:19,000 able to gain inroads within the 3111 02:06:23,190 --> 02:06:21,070 government and he says having such 3112 02:06:25,230 --> 02:06:23,200 fringe beliefs or do not share the 3113 02:06:26,850 --> 02:06:25,240 controversial aspects your belief system 3114 02:06:28,530 --> 02:06:26,860 it would seem these beliefs would hinder 3115 02:06:29,970 --> 02:06:28,540 any serious effect you would have on the 3116 02:06:32,970 --> 02:06:29,980 mainstream let alone with fellow 3117 02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:32,980 ufologist no I've seen you mention names 3118 02:06:38,970 --> 02:06:36,010 of known operatives people that are 3119 02:06:39,930 --> 02:06:38,980 connected into no names I go on Pandolfi 3120 02:06:41,790 --> 02:06:39,940 Dan Smith 3121 02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:41,800 Gary Beckham's done a lot of research as 3122 02:06:44,750 --> 02:06:43,810 you have has a lot of contacts Jack 3123 02:06:47,150 --> 02:06:44,760 Sarfati 3124 02:06:51,890 --> 02:06:47,160 what do these people tell you privately 3125 02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:51,900 about this whole subject and and how how 3126 02:06:57,380 --> 02:06:54,690 many clues have they been willing to let 3127 02:06:59,450 --> 02:06:57,390 let go of here just a little tiny clue 3128 02:07:01,340 --> 02:06:59,460 that just you know the really good thing 3129 02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:01,350 about running this blog and with all 3130 02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:02,730 these blog articles floating all around 3131 02:07:06,770 --> 02:07:05,130 and then being open for anybody to 3132 02:07:09,470 --> 02:07:06,780 republish is that it creates a feedback 3133 02:07:11,950 --> 02:07:09,480 loop to me where people get back with me 3134 02:07:14,660 --> 02:07:11,960 just like I have with my on my facebook 3135 02:07:16,490 --> 02:07:14,670 wall I you know I give a lot of UFO 3136 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:16,500 information and other people get back to 3137 02:07:20,930 --> 02:07:18,930 me give me more information and so 3138 02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:20,940 there's this feedback loop that really 3139 02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:23,010 puts me in a position to have a lot of 3140 02:07:28,460 --> 02:07:26,400 gather a lot of information and to sort 3141 02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:28,470 out little bits and pieces you know for 3142 02:07:32,450 --> 02:07:30,330 instance my sister died 3143 02:07:36,530 --> 02:07:32,460 about 10 years ago down in South Florida 3144 02:07:38,540 --> 02:07:36,540 and I went down there and I sat next to 3145 02:07:39,740 --> 02:07:38,550 a guy and we got to talking about UFOs a 3146 02:07:42,230 --> 02:07:39,750 little bit and he was a friend of my 3147 02:07:45,050 --> 02:07:42,240 sister he was a lobbyist of well-known 3148 02:07:46,730 --> 02:07:45,060 lobbyists in Washington DC and he said 3149 02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:46,740 yeah I said you know when we were kids 3150 02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:48,510 there was a god the street too knew 3151 02:07:52,580 --> 02:07:50,370 about this you know and they had 3152 02:07:55,340 --> 02:07:52,590 classified clearances and and all he 3153 02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:55,350 would say to us was yes UFOs are real 3154 02:08:00,440 --> 02:07:57,450 and it's beyond your wildest imagination 3155 02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:00,450 and so I take little pieces like that 3156 02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:03,090 and I put it together with what Ben rich 3157 02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,170 says Oberth says you know what Helen 3158 02:08:12,500 --> 02:08:09,360 Carter says what general Ford has said 3159 02:08:14,060 --> 02:08:12,510 but a Billy Carter has said little bits 3160 02:08:16,460 --> 02:08:14,070 and snippets and information all these 3161 02:08:19,070 --> 02:08:16,470 little fragments information and I tried 3162 02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:19,080 to create a picture of a road map of 3163 02:08:22,820 --> 02:08:20,730 what's going on in order to get even 3164 02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:22,830 more information and we had a road map 3165 02:08:26,510 --> 02:08:24,570 to present to you right now we have Ed 3166 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:26,520 coma wreck with Gene and 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--> 02:11:58,309 at all I have very poor hearing due to 3251 02:12:02,589 --> 02:12:00,589 this ear wax buildup well after two 3252 02:12:05,139 --> 02:12:02,599 weeks of taking heart and body extract 3253 02:12:07,719 --> 02:12:05,149 my ear wax buildup almost completely 3254 02:12:09,609 --> 02:12:07,729 cleared up could this be the effect of 3255 02:12:11,409 --> 02:12:09,619 better body circulation heart and body 3256 02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:11,419 extract is it effective when under 3257 02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:13,280 percent organic nutritional supplement 3258 02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:15,199 specially formulated to allow your body 3259 02:12:21,579 --> 02:12:17,689 to heal itself my hearing is almost 3260 02:12:24,009 --> 02:12:21,589 completely back to normal order by 3261 02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:24,019 calling eight six six two nine five five 3262 02:12:29,709 --> 02:12:27,050 three zero five or online at HB extract 3263 02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:29,719 calm that's eight six six two nine five 3264 02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:33,679 five three zero five or HB extract calm 3265 02:12:39,140 --> 02:12:36,050 heart and body extract for a long and 3266 02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:42,270 either to make popes you're listening to 3267 02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:46,330 the paragraph we have had calm rec we're 3268 02:12:52,260 --> 02:12:49,210 talking about Excel politics and the 3269 02:12:55,020 --> 02:12:52,270 need to get evidence with gene and Chris 3270 02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:55,030 on the para cast you have any further 3271 02:12:58,680 --> 02:12:56,770 statements to make about that particular 3272 02:13:02,010 --> 02:12:58,690 question before we get on to one more 3273 02:13:04,110 --> 02:13:02,020 okay so that was one little example of a 3274 02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:04,120 personal experience that I had another 3275 02:13:09,420 --> 02:13:06,480 personal experience that I had was a 3276 02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:09,430 biological father of a lady that was 3277 02:13:15,870 --> 02:13:12,850 person that Doug dick t-that I started 3278 02:13:17,670 --> 02:13:15,880 investigating and the knot that night it 3279 02:13:19,590 --> 02:13:17,680 was and I had a personal experience was 3280 02:13:21,930 --> 02:13:19,600 very interesting it was she had the 3281 02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:21,940 typical abduction you know playing blood 3282 02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:23,680 on the sheets and that kind of stuff and 3283 02:13:28,380 --> 02:13:25,930 the middle of night I was woke up and it 3284 02:13:29,850 --> 02:13:28,390 was like kind of like by several beings 3285 02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:29,860 with a kind of a buzz and they were 3286 02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:32,110 angry like angry bees and they said stay 3287 02:13:36,420 --> 02:13:34,090 out of it it's none of your business 3288 02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:36,430 and whoa I said so I kind of backed off 3289 02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:38,890 from that case and actually got to be 3290 02:13:42,780 --> 02:13:40,510 friends with that person and when I met 3291 02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:42,790 her again about two years later she had 3292 02:13:46,740 --> 02:13:45,130 completely turned things around and was 3293 02:13:48,810 --> 02:13:46,750 felt like she was dealing with other 3294 02:13:50,460 --> 02:13:48,820 types of extraterrestrials but she had 3295 02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:50,470 her BA djegal father had been in the 3296 02:13:55,470 --> 02:13:54,010 military and he had told her and he told 3297 02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:55,480 me quite a bit of stuff but he had told 3298 02:14:00,740 --> 02:13:58,000 her that he had seen a film the 3299 02:14:02,850 --> 02:14:00,750 Eisenhower a meeting with human 3300 02:14:05,610 --> 02:14:02,860 extraterrestrials the blondes or the 3301 02:14:07,980 --> 02:14:05,620 Nordics and the three crafts had come 3302 02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:07,990 down and that they met and got come in 3303 02:14:11,460 --> 02:14:09,850 when a limousine or something to the 3304 02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:11,470 hangars and then they'd spent two days 3305 02:14:16,650 --> 02:14:13,930 there with them and then you know he 3306 02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:16,660 said that they had the beings when I 3307 02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:19,090 decided to leave they were military 3308 02:14:21,900 --> 02:14:20,530 pulled guns on them and they just walked 3309 02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,910 out through the walls and back to their 3310 02:14:25,950 --> 02:14:23,440 ships and whatever and he'd seen a film 3311 02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:25,960 of this that in itself was you know I've 3312 02:14:29,190 --> 02:14:27,760 talked to him personally you know knew 3313 02:14:30,900 --> 02:14:29,200 him personally and whatever and I knew 3314 02:14:33,750 --> 02:14:30,910 his daughter logical daughter really 3315 02:14:35,490 --> 02:14:33,760 well and then I tend to think some of 3316 02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:35,500 these other cases with the case of 3317 02:14:39,510 --> 02:14:37,210 Gerald light you know he described a 3318 02:14:42,270 --> 02:14:39,520 similar search experience in situation 3319 02:14:44,250 --> 02:14:42,280 and also of the McCrae the Senate 3320 02:14:46,740 --> 02:14:44,260 senator mcurtin with the state senator 3321 02:14:48,780 --> 02:14:46,750 McCray who had heard about this same 3322 02:14:50,670 --> 02:14:48,790 sort of thing and whatever so you know 3323 02:14:52,680 --> 02:14:50,680 you just don't believe what you've read 3324 02:14:54,180 --> 02:14:52,690 in the literature you've got to 3325 02:14:55,709 --> 02:14:54,190 get down and get it from personal 3326 02:14:57,870 --> 02:14:55,719 experience and so you develop sources 3327 02:15:00,540 --> 02:14:57,880 you develop people that have been in 3328 02:15:02,670 --> 02:15:00,550 classified work but you can't use their 3329 02:15:04,229 --> 02:15:02,680 names and unfortunately so that's why I 3330 02:15:05,850 --> 02:15:04,239 have to use the names of people that 3331 02:15:08,670 --> 02:15:05,860 have gone public like Ben retching 3332 02:15:11,010 --> 02:15:08,680 whatever because I don't you know want 3333 02:15:13,290 --> 02:15:11,020 trouble to come down on these people I 3334 02:15:15,780 --> 02:15:13,300 put people first and in fact this guy 3335 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:15,790 after he talked to me he hadn't called 3336 02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:18,010 the Pentagon you know asking me whether 3337 02:15:20,820 --> 02:15:19,570 he could talk to me and they didn't get 3338 02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:20,830 back with him right away and I 3339 02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:25,090 interviewed him and then they got up 3340 02:15:27,900 --> 02:15:26,530 with him and he told him what he did 3341 02:15:29,610 --> 02:15:27,910 next thing you know he had been 3342 02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:29,620 burglarized all his papers had been 3343 02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:31,360 stolen he was given a whole new set of 3344 02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:33,340 papers and everything and he and a 3345 02:15:37,229 --> 02:15:35,110 friend and he even went after a friend 3346 02:15:40,650 --> 02:15:37,239 of his and both of them went went out to 3347 02:15:41,820 --> 02:15:40,660 a bar that night and got drunk but there 3348 02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:41,830 wasn't a lot I could do about that 3349 02:15:45,390 --> 02:15:43,840 situation but I've been worried about 3350 02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:45,400 putting his name out into the public 3351 02:15:51,479 --> 02:15:48,010 domain you know tell that he's dead now 3352 02:15:54,630 --> 02:15:51,489 so so that's you know I can do that but 3353 02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:54,640 his name was Sam Stanley and then you 3354 02:15:58,560 --> 02:15:57,010 know so I do talk to a lot of people 3355 02:16:00,630 --> 02:15:58,570 that have inside him you know having 3356 02:16:01,979 --> 02:16:00,640 been on the inside but I had to be very 3357 02:16:03,300 --> 02:16:01,989 careful about it and they had to be 3358 02:16:05,310 --> 02:16:03,310 careful about how much they tell me 3359 02:16:06,810 --> 02:16:05,320 because it can get them into a lot of 3360 02:16:08,340 --> 02:16:06,820 trouble and I've seen that in my own 3361 02:16:10,050 --> 02:16:08,350 experience and that's the reason I have 3362 02:16:11,610 --> 02:16:10,060 to use quotes and what's out there in 3363 02:16:13,620 --> 02:16:11,620 the public domain a lot of time to build 3364 02:16:16,260 --> 02:16:13,630 my case because I can't build my you 3365 02:16:17,670 --> 02:16:16,270 know case on harming other people right 3366 02:16:19,470 --> 02:16:17,680 of course and that's understandable I 3367 02:16:22,380 --> 02:16:19,480 believe me I know that very well one of 3368 02:16:24,170 --> 02:16:22,390 my suggested rules of investigation 3369 02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:24,180 there's 13 of them one of them is 3370 02:16:30,780 --> 02:16:26,770 respect all requests for anonymity and 3371 02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:30,790 credit your sources I'm not gonna let 3372 02:16:35,610 --> 02:16:33,550 this one go by here I I think I heard 3373 02:16:39,179 --> 02:16:35,620 you say at the beginning of your answer 3374 02:16:41,490 --> 02:16:39,189 here that you were actually contacted by 3375 02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:41,500 some sort of non-human intelligence it 3376 02:16:46,980 --> 02:16:44,290 told you to to buzz out not you know to 3377 02:16:49,259 --> 02:16:46,990 leave it alone a little bit more about 3378 02:16:51,780 --> 02:16:49,269 that that's the only really kind of a 3379 02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:51,790 direct experience that I think I might 3380 02:16:56,490 --> 02:16:53,410 have had but who knows you know it could 3381 02:17:00,299 --> 02:16:56,500 have been my own mind you know but but I 3382 02:17:02,730 --> 02:17:00,309 woke up and it was very real and it was 3383 02:17:05,009 --> 02:17:02,740 still kind of going on as I woke up and 3384 02:17:05,950 --> 02:17:05,019 it was enough to cause me to back up I 3385 02:17:07,209 --> 02:17:05,960 took it seriously enough 3386 02:17:08,980 --> 02:17:07,219 the time that I want to better be 3387 02:17:11,230 --> 02:17:08,990 careful about this you don't think let's 3388 02:17:13,299 --> 02:17:11,240 just a dream experience it was as I was 3389 02:17:15,610 --> 02:17:13,309 waking up that it was happening so I was 3390 02:17:18,700 --> 02:17:15,620 already aware of my surroundings to some 3391 02:17:21,730 --> 02:17:18,710 degree my physical surroundings so when 3392 02:17:24,339 --> 02:17:21,740 she displayed these these beans all I 3393 02:17:27,540 --> 02:17:24,349 could say is it was like I had just 3394 02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:27,550 awesome Hornets I made the Hornets angry 3395 02:17:33,459 --> 02:17:31,370 and and it was kind of like a group like 3396 02:17:35,770 --> 02:17:33,469 they were thinking at the same time they 3397 02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:35,780 like it was like telepathic and they 3398 02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:37,370 were thinking at thinking it at the same 3399 02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:39,679 time and they were not happy with with 3400 02:17:45,640 --> 02:17:44,210 what me interviewing this person and it 3401 02:17:47,169 --> 02:17:45,650 seemed like I don't know how many it but 3402 02:17:50,129 --> 02:17:47,179 there was seemed like several could have 3403 02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:50,139 been more than probably more than two 3404 02:17:54,759 --> 02:17:52,969 probably not more than five but that's 3405 02:17:56,379 --> 02:17:54,769 all I can say I mean you know that's 3406 02:17:57,730 --> 02:17:56,389 that was just the experience but it 3407 02:17:59,080 --> 02:17:57,740 caused me to back off for a couple of 3408 02:18:00,190 --> 02:17:59,090 years with this person until they came 3409 02:18:03,339 --> 02:18:00,200 back in my life again 3410 02:18:04,660 --> 02:18:03,349 and Ana this person was having more 3411 02:18:05,950 --> 02:18:04,670 experience and you know better 3412 02:18:08,049 --> 02:18:05,960 experience and I remember saying 3413 02:18:11,230 --> 02:18:08,059 afterwards you know in my own mind in 3414 02:18:13,060 --> 02:18:11,240 return I said you know whoever handles 3415 02:18:15,690 --> 02:18:13,070 these things you take care of it this is 3416 02:18:18,250 --> 02:18:15,700 too much for me I'm getting out of this 3417 02:18:20,830 --> 02:18:18,260 I felt a telepathic message back to 3418 02:18:23,950 --> 02:18:20,840 somebody else somewhere that I have no 3419 02:18:25,390 --> 02:18:23,960 idea what I was doing either and it's it 3420 02:18:26,890 --> 02:18:25,400 may have worked because that person 3421 02:18:29,459 --> 02:18:26,900 started having positive experiences 3422 02:18:32,650 --> 02:18:29,469 after that and with with human type 3423 02:18:34,419 --> 02:18:32,660 extraterrestrials and but they did fall 3424 02:18:37,209 --> 02:18:34,429 back into it with this type again or 3425 02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:37,219 whatever least allegedly and whatever so 3426 02:18:42,430 --> 02:18:40,490 that led me you know into a personal 3427 02:18:46,419 --> 02:18:42,440 cases actually with this person where I 3428 02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:46,429 actually saw a craft myself you know 3429 02:18:51,070 --> 02:18:49,040 it's like these beings you know I deal 3430 02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:51,080 with a lot of contactees and abductees 3431 02:18:55,870 --> 02:18:53,450 and whatever but it's like the ETS avoid 3432 02:18:58,660 --> 02:18:55,880 me like a plague and I just happened to 3433 02:19:00,459 --> 02:18:58,670 get myself into a situation up north of 3434 02:19:03,459 --> 02:19:00,469 care of Georgia where there was some 3435 02:19:05,140 --> 02:19:03,469 activity going on and there was a lot of 3436 02:19:08,589 --> 02:19:05,150 contact II there that was being 3437 02:19:11,500 --> 02:19:08,599 contacted and I had brought my camera 3438 02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:11,510 with I think about 1600 high speed film 3439 02:19:17,500 --> 02:19:14,450 and I had it set up on a tripod and this 3440 02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:17,510 craft started this bright red light 3441 02:19:23,470 --> 02:19:19,370 started coming in from 3442 02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:23,480 the North East and as it slowed down the 3443 02:19:29,140 --> 02:19:27,170 bright red light got got dimmer and 3444 02:19:31,209 --> 02:19:29,150 dimmer and then was actually hovering a 3445 02:19:33,010 --> 02:19:31,219 bright red light had actually just a 3446 02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:33,020 little tiny spot and you can see like 3447 02:19:36,190 --> 02:19:34,639 windows on the side of it like you're 3448 02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:36,200 looking at an airliner on the side it 3449 02:19:41,020 --> 02:19:37,850 was about a quarter mile away I kind of 3450 02:19:42,730 --> 02:19:41,030 over the swamp and I took a picture of 3451 02:19:44,980 --> 02:19:42,740 that thing and that also taking pictures 3452 02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:44,990 across the field of people's houses you 3453 02:19:50,290 --> 02:19:48,890 know it was after dark and the houses 3454 02:19:51,850 --> 02:19:50,300 and everything showed up really good 3455 02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:51,860 meaning the windows you know the light 3456 02:19:54,310 --> 02:19:52,970 coming through the window showed up 3457 02:19:57,660 --> 02:19:54,320 really good from the houses and whatever 3458 02:20:01,420 --> 02:19:57,670 but nothing showed up as far as that 3459 02:20:02,860 --> 02:20:01,430 craft was concerned so you saw it but 3460 02:20:04,841 --> 02:20:02,870 you took a picture and the picture 3461 02:20:07,570 --> 02:20:04,851 didn't show it yeah and then what 3462 02:20:10,780 --> 02:20:07,580 happened and then what happened was I 3463 02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:10,790 took this guy took off down across the 3464 02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:12,650 field that back down the river swamps 3465 02:20:17,650 --> 02:20:15,290 and this other lady that was a kind of a 3466 02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:17,660 contact II but she's kind of Spacey 3467 02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:19,610 sometime and whatever notes you weren't 3468 02:20:23,380 --> 02:20:21,290 sure you know he was just a kind of 3469 02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:23,390 solid good old boy not calling an 3470 02:20:27,551 --> 02:20:25,460 imagination whatsoever just tells things 3471 02:20:31,170 --> 02:20:27,561 like like they are you know and he'd 3472 02:20:33,790 --> 02:20:31,180 taken off down down across the field and 3473 02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:33,800 was down in a swamp but we took off and 3474 02:20:36,910 --> 02:20:34,970 we got down there and some strange 3475 02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:36,920 noises going on and I don't think he 3476 02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:38,930 could have been making them and she got 3477 02:20:43,930 --> 02:20:41,930 scared and I had to deal with her you 3478 02:20:45,551 --> 02:20:43,940 know she said I'm scared hold my hand 3479 02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:45,561 and she'd been wanting to meet these ETS 3480 02:20:51,940 --> 02:20:49,010 and I'm dealing with her apparently 3481 02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:51,950 allegedly he was dealing with the ETS 3482 02:20:55,630 --> 02:20:53,450 for a short period of time and then they 3483 02:20:58,060 --> 02:20:55,640 took on off but I did see the craft and 3484 02:21:01,060 --> 02:20:58,070 I saw that it it actually when it 3485 02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:01,070 hovered it then did moved again and the 3486 02:21:04,540 --> 02:21:03,050 bright-red gets like I mean the small 3487 02:21:06,130 --> 02:21:04,550 red light started getting bigger and 3488 02:21:07,390 --> 02:21:06,140 then slowed down small red light got 3489 02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:07,400 smaller and then you could see like the 3490 02:21:10,990 --> 02:21:09,650 craft again like looking at windows edge 3491 02:21:13,210 --> 02:21:11,000 on you know I don't know if it was a 3492 02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:13,220 saucer because I was looking at it yeah 3493 02:21:18,670 --> 02:21:16,970 John and and he comes out back out of 3494 02:21:20,830 --> 02:21:18,680 the woods laughing at the way she was 3495 02:21:22,270 --> 02:21:20,840 reacting to the whole situation whatever 3496 02:21:24,250 --> 02:21:22,280 after wanting really wanting to meet 3497 02:21:25,900 --> 02:21:24,260 these et's and then she freaks out you 3498 02:21:27,430 --> 02:21:25,910 know in the process and whatever and 3499 02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:27,440 he's careful what you wish for 3500 02:21:33,300 --> 02:21:32,420 yeah and his story is another long story 3501 02:21:34,679 --> 02:21:33,310 that have 3502 02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:34,689 I've written up and everything but that 3503 02:21:37,260 --> 02:21:35,680 was a little bit of personal in the 3504 02:21:39,479 --> 02:21:37,270 personal experiences to the next night I 3505 02:21:41,160 --> 02:21:39,489 took my wife down there Susan at the 3506 02:21:42,569 --> 02:21:41,170 time and two of the other people and we 3507 02:21:44,639 --> 02:21:42,579 got down there and I could have swore 3508 02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:44,649 there was a saucer back down those 3509 02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,350 swamps and I can actually almost see 3510 02:21:51,389 --> 02:21:49,359 that saucer and it ended up being a 3511 02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:51,399 tower light you know eventually after 3512 02:21:55,170 --> 02:21:52,810 stomping through the swamps for about an 3513 02:21:57,149 --> 02:21:55,180 hour so because I had already become so 3514 02:21:59,389 --> 02:21:57,159 excited from the real event 3515 02:22:02,340 --> 02:21:59,399 I was actually becoming slightly 3516 02:22:05,069 --> 02:22:02,350 disillusioned delusion deluded you know 3517 02:22:08,250 --> 02:22:05,079 with the other light so I can sympathize 3518 02:22:09,540 --> 02:22:08,260 with contactees that that maybe having 3519 02:22:11,130 --> 02:22:09,550 real experiences but then their 3520 02:22:12,540 --> 02:22:11,140 imagination can run away with them 3521 02:22:15,090 --> 02:22:12,550 because my imagination was running away 3522 02:22:16,769 --> 02:22:15,100 from me I know she's running away from 3523 02:22:18,330 --> 02:22:16,779 them to be frank when they think they've 3524 02:22:19,950 --> 02:22:18,340 had contact experiences I'm gonna have 3525 02:22:21,719 --> 02:22:19,960 to point that out to you too we have you 3526 02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:21,729 Ed chimeric you're talking to the gene 3527 02:22:31,761 --> 02:22:25,090 and Kris you're in the para cast 3528 02:22:38,671 --> 02:22:35,070 are you tired of searching for great 3529 02:22:42,961 --> 02:22:38,681 talk radio more important search Noboru 3530 02:22:44,581 --> 02:22:42,971 we are the GCM radio network said here's 3531 02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:44,591 what happened I was placing an order 3532 02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:47,170 online the site went down it just 3533 02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:49,570 stopped responding it took hours before 3534 02:22:52,831 --> 02:22:51,280 it returned but I'd already placed the 3535 02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:52,841 order with another company if your site 3536 02:22:56,610 --> 02:22:55,210 goes down you could lose business and if 3537 02:22:58,770 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calm spelled 3633 02:26:30,139 --> 02:26:27,390 Big B er ke why water filters calm or 3634 02:26:32,989 --> 02:26:30,149 call eight seven seven nine nine per key 3635 02:26:35,960 --> 02:26:32,999 that's eight seven seven nine nine ber 3636 02:26:41,320 --> 02:26:35,970 ke why gift well this Christmas give a 3637 02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:44,479 hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and 3638 02:26:54,050 --> 02:26:46,560 you're listening to the parajets the 3639 02:26:56,620 --> 02:26:54,060 gold standard of paranormal radio we 3640 02:26:59,150 --> 02:26:56,630 have eight chimeric talking about ufos 3641 02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:59,160 Exopolitics contact secret space 3642 02:27:04,250 --> 02:27:01,439 programs is so much more with Jeanne and 3643 02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:04,260 Chris and the power cast and as we move 3644 02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:06,930 towards the latter part of the episode 3645 02:27:13,550 --> 02:27:10,770 the final portion let me check with 3646 02:27:16,460 --> 02:27:13,560 Chris any more questions yes I do have a 3647 02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:16,470 question from Jay PW who's been a 3648 02:27:20,059 --> 02:27:19,290 longtime poster at forum dr. Peric 3649 02:27:23,150 --> 02:27:20,069 ask.com 3650 02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:23,160 and his question is what is your plan of 3651 02:27:29,599 --> 02:27:26,010 action ed if an official encounter with 3652 02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:29,609 ET beam somehow goes wrong for instance 3653 02:27:35,389 --> 02:27:32,880 the ETS do not respond as anticipated to 3654 02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:35,399 any diplomatic overtures perhaps 3655 02:27:40,370 --> 02:27:38,160 responding aggressively I mean are we 3656 02:27:42,650 --> 02:27:40,380 gonna be able to hand that as handle 3657 02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:42,660 that as a culture do you think that that 3658 02:27:49,099 --> 02:27:46,560 any sort of aggressive posturing could 3659 02:27:50,929 --> 02:27:49,109 be dealt with by our military well my 3660 02:27:53,960 --> 02:27:50,939 position is and I'm trying to make this 3661 02:27:56,840 --> 02:27:53,970 case in my writings is that we already 3662 02:27:58,460 --> 02:27:56,850 have that contact now I know the spam 3663 02:28:01,040 --> 02:27:58,470 filters start going off and red flags 3664 02:28:03,080 --> 02:28:01,050 start being raised one at one of these 3665 02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:03,090 cases that I really like is a Charles 3666 02:28:06,590 --> 02:28:04,800 Hall case involving a tall white 3667 02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:06,600 extraterrestrials because it's simple 3668 02:28:11,300 --> 02:28:09,090 and it's pretty clean and I myself have 3669 02:28:13,340 --> 02:28:11,310 been able to collaborate and find more 3670 02:28:16,250 --> 02:28:13,350 witnesses that back up parts of his 3671 02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:16,260 story and he said that the the tall 3672 02:28:21,229 --> 02:28:19,050 whites who have a base of about 300 3673 02:28:23,170 --> 02:28:21,239 individuals on in the north part of 3674 02:28:25,519 --> 02:28:23,180 Nellis up in the bombing ranges 3675 02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:25,529 protected by Nellis now it was there 3676 02:28:29,170 --> 02:28:27,210 before the military of the military 3677 02:28:32,870 --> 02:28:29,180 actually built their base around it and 3678 02:28:34,309 --> 02:28:32,880 also one he says was that area 55 which 3679 02:28:37,189 --> 02:28:34,319 have no idea everybody knows what area 3680 02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:37,199 51 is but area 55 I don't know where 3681 02:28:40,670 --> 02:28:38,399 that is and he said there was a great 3682 02:28:43,490 --> 02:28:40,680 base there and that soon Ellis has 3683 02:28:45,650 --> 02:28:43,500 created a secure area around these bases 3684 02:28:48,139 --> 02:28:45,660 and the tall white base was was more or 3685 02:28:50,750 --> 02:28:48,149 less a pit stop for their crafts because 3686 02:28:53,220 --> 02:28:50,760 their craft exceeded the speed of light 3687 02:28:55,060 --> 02:28:53,230 but they didn't warp space and time and 3688 02:28:56,530 --> 02:28:55,070 instantaneously from one place to 3689 02:28:58,240 --> 02:28:56,540 another so it took him about a couple of 3690 02:29:00,100 --> 02:28:58,250 weeks to get here and they hit can hit 3691 02:29:01,690 --> 02:29:00,110 debris and they have to repair their 3692 02:29:03,190 --> 02:29:01,700 spacecraft and that kind of stuff so it 3693 02:29:07,421 --> 02:29:03,200 was a simple case of a kind of like a 3694 02:29:09,490 --> 02:29:07,431 pit stop and they had a little colony 3695 02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:09,500 there for maintenance of the base and 3696 02:29:13,390 --> 02:29:12,080 there was children and wives and and 3697 02:29:15,370 --> 02:29:13,400 that they would take them out in the 3698 02:29:17,171 --> 02:29:15,380 desert and you know teaching the 3699 02:29:18,700 --> 02:29:17,181 children and that sometimes they would 3700 02:29:20,711 --> 02:29:18,710 even come in with they were close enough 3701 02:29:23,860 --> 02:29:20,721 to look like ordinary humans to be able 3702 02:29:27,671 --> 02:29:23,870 to with some disguise to go into Las 3703 02:29:31,180 --> 02:29:27,681 Vegas and a little alien in and have a 3704 02:29:33,310 --> 02:29:31,190 beer they look like albinos but they're 3705 02:29:34,780 --> 02:29:33,320 really thin and they had like had like 3706 02:29:37,091 --> 02:29:34,790 really blonde hair but it was almost 3707 02:29:39,671 --> 02:29:37,101 white but they were tall that's why they 3708 02:29:41,860 --> 02:29:39,681 called the tall whites and he's got four 3709 02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:41,870 books out on that and a whole lot of 3710 02:29:46,690 --> 02:29:44,450 detail and so I've been working pretty 3711 02:29:49,060 --> 02:29:46,700 hard and even went out west this spring 3712 02:29:50,650 --> 02:29:49,070 to see if I could find more cases before 3713 02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:50,660 I went too far out on a limb in this 3714 02:29:54,820 --> 02:29:53,210 case but he said that there's a true 3715 02:29:56,350 --> 02:29:54,830 that government has a treaty and 3716 02:30:00,220 --> 02:29:56,360 basically he says the laws of economics 3717 02:30:01,841 --> 02:30:00,230 don't end at the in the outer space just 3718 02:30:03,341 --> 02:30:01,851 like the laws of physics don't end they 3719 02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,351 extend out in the universe and their 3720 02:30:06,940 --> 02:30:05,120 laws the economics say the tall lights 3721 02:30:08,711 --> 02:30:06,950 would rather have us supply that base 3722 02:30:10,780 --> 02:30:08,721 and we supply it themselves and them 3723 02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:10,790 having to ship it in in return they'll 3724 02:30:15,220 --> 02:30:13,490 give this from some marginal technology 3725 02:30:17,350 --> 02:30:15,230 for shuttlecraft and whatever but not 3726 02:30:19,091 --> 02:30:17,360 their deep space technology so they made 3727 02:30:21,430 --> 02:30:19,101 an arrangement with the military and the 3728 02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:21,440 generals at the time and they kind of 3729 02:30:24,881 --> 02:30:23,090 got to know each other when Charles was 3730 02:30:26,860 --> 02:30:24,891 there in the early 60s and people got 3731 02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:26,870 killed and Charles managed who survived 3732 02:30:31,841 --> 02:30:30,530 to tell the story and he he was involved 3733 02:30:33,461 --> 02:30:31,851 the reason that he can even talk about 3734 02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:33,471 it and was allowed to talk about it 3735 02:30:37,091 --> 02:30:35,450 because it was in the treaty or the 3736 02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:37,101 agreement and the tall whites were very 3737 02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:39,410 picky about their treaty that he'd be 3738 02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:41,120 not being molested or bothered by the 3739 02:30:45,190 --> 02:30:43,490 military and whatever you know and what 3740 02:30:47,171 --> 02:30:45,200 he wrote or talk to the public about 3741 02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:47,181 well that's special destiny quality 3742 02:30:52,751 --> 02:30:49,730 doesn't it throw up a major huge big 3743 02:30:55,720 --> 02:30:52,761 giant red flag you basically what's 3744 02:30:57,850 --> 02:30:55,730 going on there is is that you know there 3745 02:31:01,180 --> 02:30:57,860 were other people that contacted me Tom 3746 02:31:03,220 --> 02:31:01,190 Fox Tom Fox on internet contacted me and 3747 02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:03,230 he had said he had seen him in these 3748 02:31:06,729 --> 02:31:05,090 same areas where Charles saw it said I'm 3749 02:31:10,809 --> 02:31:06,739 seeing him on the on the public 3750 02:31:12,639 --> 02:31:10,819 you know in the public areas and once 3751 02:31:18,819 --> 02:31:12,649 out in the desert and then also going up 3752 02:31:22,210 --> 02:31:18,829 the steps in a casino and then there was 3753 02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:22,220 other cases too as well and then when I 3754 02:31:27,819 --> 02:31:25,369 went out there I researched that area 3755 02:31:29,619 --> 02:31:27,829 really you know traveled and camped out 3756 02:31:32,409 --> 02:31:29,629 up in the spring mountains which to the 3757 02:31:35,409 --> 02:31:32,419 south of Nellis beautiful area beautiful 3758 02:31:37,269 --> 02:31:35,419 canyons snow was still up around 8,000 3759 02:31:39,329 --> 02:31:37,279 feet where the highest campground was we 3760 02:31:42,670 --> 02:31:39,339 played in snow a little bit in whatever 3761 02:31:44,829 --> 02:31:42,680 but this was the area that that Charles 3762 02:31:47,199 --> 02:31:44,839 Hall said they parked up at wheeler pass 3763 02:31:48,609 --> 02:31:47,209 a very difficult area to get to where 3764 02:31:50,050 --> 02:31:48,619 there's some couple of charcoal ovens 3765 02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,060 and I found out they really were 3766 02:31:53,979 --> 02:31:52,640 charcoal ovens there and but it was art 3767 02:31:55,149 --> 02:31:53,989 hard to get out there so I couldn't get 3768 02:31:56,349 --> 02:31:55,159 up there and that's why they parked 3769 02:31:58,210 --> 02:31:56,359 their craft a lot of times and they 3770 02:32:01,300 --> 02:31:58,220 would float down in these flight little 3771 02:32:03,819 --> 02:32:01,310 floating suits that kind of floated over 3772 02:32:06,069 --> 02:32:03,829 the surface above the ground and they 3773 02:32:07,539 --> 02:32:06,079 could even float up into trees and play 3774 02:32:09,219 --> 02:32:07,549 around in the trees some time with the 3775 02:32:11,050 --> 02:32:09,229 women with their children and stuff and 3776 02:32:13,269 --> 02:32:11,060 whatever but they could they would park 3777 02:32:15,729 --> 02:32:13,279 up there and they would float down and 3778 02:32:18,189 --> 02:32:15,739 he had watched this happen and from an 3779 02:32:19,749 --> 02:32:18,199 area was it was an ice-cream stand or 3780 02:32:22,899 --> 02:32:19,759 something whatever which is now there's 3781 02:32:25,239 --> 02:32:22,909 a casino there and I was able to confirm 3782 02:32:27,249 --> 02:32:25,249 you know sort of looking at it myself 3783 02:32:28,779 --> 02:32:27,259 that this was possible they could you 3784 02:32:31,239 --> 02:32:28,789 could see we were pass them back over 3785 02:32:32,829 --> 02:32:31,249 there and I talked to the owner of the 3786 02:32:35,260 --> 02:32:32,839 ski lodge where another big event 3787 02:32:37,269 --> 02:32:35,270 happened and he said yes there are coal 3788 02:32:39,489 --> 02:32:37,279 ovens there and that and that could be 3789 02:32:40,989 --> 02:32:39,499 seen those hills in that house where 3790 02:32:43,539 --> 02:32:40,999 this little girl was supposedly floated 3791 02:32:45,249 --> 02:32:43,549 out of a window to play with a tall 3792 02:32:47,079 --> 02:32:45,259 white little girl there were a lot of 3793 02:32:49,599 --> 02:32:47,089 those specific things like that or 3794 02:32:50,949 --> 02:32:49,609 whatever but this idea of floating fling 3795 02:32:53,019 --> 02:32:50,959 up off the ground and floating in the 3796 02:32:55,779 --> 02:32:53,029 trees you know was just a one little 3797 02:32:58,659 --> 02:32:55,789 tiny detail of this whole story and then 3798 02:33:01,659 --> 02:32:58,669 I talked I found a guy there in Indian 3799 02:33:03,519 --> 02:33:01,669 Springs who was doing a garbage run late 3800 02:33:06,519 --> 02:33:03,529 at night and he had worked there at the 3801 02:33:08,859 --> 02:33:06,529 ski lodge two before and whatever and he 3802 02:33:10,989 --> 02:33:08,869 was coming back down the mountain late 3803 02:33:12,670 --> 02:33:10,999 at night and he saw what he took to be 3804 02:33:15,279 --> 02:33:12,680 flares and the trees and on the ground 3805 02:33:16,749 --> 02:33:15,289 and he said boys are my friends from the 3806 02:33:19,269 --> 02:33:16,759 military down there I'm gonna run down 3807 02:33:20,620 --> 02:33:19,279 there and say hi so he ran down there 3808 02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:20,630 you can went out 3809 02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:23,090 go on down there and it was just dead 3810 02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:26,479 silence absolutely nothing no lights no 3811 02:33:30,429 --> 02:33:29,120 nothing nobody was there and he said he 3812 02:33:32,170 --> 02:33:30,439 got really scared 3813 02:33:33,820 --> 02:33:32,180 you know he didn't know why but he got 3814 02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:33,830 really scared he said just let me get 3815 02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:36,050 out of this alive and and he took off 3816 02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:38,960 out of there and that you know it's just 3817 02:33:42,730 --> 02:33:41,090 a tiny bit of course just a little snip 3818 02:33:44,950 --> 02:33:42,740 but it's a little bit of core becau 3819 02:33:46,480 --> 02:33:44,960 relation that that what he at night is 3820 02:33:47,980 --> 02:33:46,490 seeing with the tall lights up there 3821 02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:47,990 during the summertime they like 3822 02:33:52,150 --> 02:33:50,000 temperatures and he says over 80 degrees 3823 02:33:54,580 --> 02:33:52,160 so it was in the middle of summer and 3824 02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:54,590 that they were playing around they're up 3825 02:33:58,330 --> 02:33:56,090 in the trees and whatever and it seems 3826 02:34:00,490 --> 02:33:58,340 to substantiate a part of that story and 3827 02:34:02,860 --> 02:34:00,500 I was just one small part and then when 3828 02:34:06,010 --> 02:34:02,870 I was also out there I had a laptop with 3829 02:34:08,980 --> 02:34:06,020 mobile access and and a lady on the 3830 02:34:12,850 --> 02:34:08,990 internet on Facebook finally another 3831 02:34:16,660 --> 02:34:12,860 witness in Las Vegas Cherry Hinkle who 3832 02:34:19,030 --> 02:34:16,670 had worked in Las Vegas and had had met 3833 02:34:22,020 --> 02:34:19,040 what she considered a tall tall looking 3834 02:34:25,570 --> 02:34:22,030 albino person with blue eyes and really 3835 02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:25,580 light very very light blond hair in a 3836 02:34:29,020 --> 02:34:26,000 tunnel 3837 02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:29,030 this year the the the the the buildings 3838 02:34:32,740 --> 02:34:30,800 are you have tunnels going underground 3839 02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:32,750 between them and she was supposed to be 3840 02:34:37,300 --> 02:34:34,010 there and they told her to get out of 3841 02:34:39,580 --> 02:34:37,310 there and we're almost have time okay in 3842 02:34:41,410 --> 02:34:39,590 terms of getting to the bottom of these 3843 02:34:43,929 --> 02:34:41,420 mysteries finding the smoking gun 3844 02:34:44,920 --> 02:34:43,939 dealing with government secrecy whatever 3845 02:34:48,940 --> 02:34:44,930 they may be of it 3846 02:34:50,679 --> 02:34:48,950 what are your steps I mean you know 3847 02:34:53,139 --> 02:34:50,689 we're not going to find a smoking gun 3848 02:34:58,090 --> 02:34:53,149 until it all falls out and I'm just 3849 02:35:00,730 --> 02:34:58,100 hopeful that the the global economic 3850 02:35:04,330 --> 02:35:00,740 banking financial crisis and whatever 3851 02:35:06,370 --> 02:35:04,340 may you know the breakdown in European 3852 02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:06,380 Union and all this a breakdown of these 3853 02:35:11,250 --> 02:35:09,290 powerful cartels something may fall out 3854 02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:11,260 you know for our benefit here you know 3855 02:35:15,490 --> 02:35:13,850 but like Ben Rhett said it and they take 3856 02:35:17,889 --> 02:35:15,500 an act of God to get these things out 3857 02:35:19,630 --> 02:35:17,899 into the public domain so I just have to 3858 02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:19,640 do the best I can and I'm getting old 3859 02:35:27,070 --> 02:35:23,930 and I'm hoping that the younger people 3860 02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:27,080 can take what I've discovered and the 3861 02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:29,090 links and information that I found and 3862 02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,130 use that to their benefit to build their 3863 02:35:34,240 --> 02:35:33,680 lives just like I you know built mine on 3864 02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:34,250 the right 3865 02:35:38,019 --> 02:35:36,170 and the insights of other people that 3866 02:35:39,639 --> 02:35:38,029 came before me I'll tell you what where 3867 02:35:41,740 --> 02:35:39,649 can our listeners get more information 3868 02:35:43,630 --> 02:35:41,750 about the things you write about okay 3869 02:35:45,639 --> 02:35:43,640 the best thing is yes they can type in 3870 02:35:47,530 --> 02:35:45,649 my name if they can spell my last name 3871 02:35:48,219 --> 02:35:47,540 which is difficult my first name is 3872 02:35:52,269 --> 02:35:48,229 Eadie 3873 02:35:56,410 --> 02:35:52,279 my last name is Kumar expelled k om a 3874 02:35:57,820 --> 02:35:56,420 are ek IDI chimeric I've been 3875 02:36:00,219 --> 02:35:57,830 pronouncing your name wrong from the 3876 02:36:01,929 --> 02:36:00,229 entire show but yeah very forgiving of 3877 02:36:04,179 --> 02:36:01,939 it thank you now facebook or they'll 3878 02:36:07,870 --> 02:36:04,189 find my blog if they typed my name in 3879 02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:07,880 there spelled k om AR ek and by the way 3880 02:36:12,219 --> 02:36:10,399 we have a link to his blog on the para 3881 02:36:14,170 --> 02:36:12,229 caste calm Chris O'Brien where do we 3882 02:36:16,300 --> 02:36:14,180 find more of your stuff well you can 3883 02:36:18,820 --> 02:36:16,310 find me here at the forum dr. Peric 3884 02:36:23,170 --> 02:36:18,830 ascom also i have a website our strange 3885 02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,180 planet which some decade my finished and 3886 02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,520 upgraded you can also hopefully find the 3887 02:36:29,650 --> 02:36:27,439 live feed from the San Luis Valley a 3888 02:36:32,200 --> 02:36:29,660 camera monitoring project coming to the 3889 02:36:34,210 --> 02:36:32,210 para cast soon so neighbors if you have 3890 02:36:36,370 --> 02:36:34,220 a comment or a question about the power 3891 02:36:38,830 --> 02:36:36,380 cast you know we're descended news at 3892 02:36:41,139 --> 02:36:38,840 the para cast com once again that's news 3893 02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:41,149 at the power cast calm and by the way if 3894 02:36:45,370 --> 02:36:43,250 you do want to join our team you have a 3895 02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:45,380 background and sales especially online 3896 02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:48,080 sales and broadcast experience as a 3897 02:36:53,380 --> 02:36:50,810 sales person as a must-do write us news 3898 02:36:56,559 --> 02:36:53,390 at the para cast comm once again that's 3899 02:36:58,660 --> 02:36:56,569 news at the para cast comm EDM Eric 3900 02:37:01,469 --> 02:36:58,670 thanks for joining us on the power cast 3901 02:37:04,739 --> 02:37:01,479 thank you very much 3902 02:37:07,620 --> 02:37:04,749 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3903 02:37:10,609 --> 02:37:07,630 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3904 02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:10,619 presentation of making the impossible